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Is Islam a form of Satan worship?

December 24, 2009
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This is something interesting I learned while watching this video on Secret Societies.  Here is a quote from 80:33 of the video.

The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is Yahweh (GOD) reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but a negation of God. [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p 102]

Morals and Dogma is a huge, rambling treasure-house of esoteric data, particularly on the Kabalah and ancient Mystery religions, and was traditionally given to a candidate upon his receipt of the 14th degree of the Scottish Rite.

Morals and Dogma is Albert Pikes’ 861 page volume of ‘lectures’ on the esoteric roots of Freemasonry, specifically the 32-degree Scottish Rite…. Masonic lectures are standard oral presentations given during initiation to a new degree. Lectures provide background material for initiates and the discuss duties of the degree in general terms.

Now pay attention to the quote “The true name of Satan is Yahweh (God) reversed;”  The following is the Hebrew for Yahweh, reversed:  (Screenshot from the video)

So basically,  there is an implication that Yahweh (God) in Hebrew reversed is Allah in Arabic.  Pike reveals that “Allah” refers to not God, but is the true name of Satan.

It might appear to be a stretch, but I highly recommend watching the video to get the entire context.  It really opened my eyes to a lot of things.

For more background on this topic, watch the Islamic Connection by Dr. Veith here below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDBRPF9uCYk

Note: This is far from an attack on my Muslim friends. I encourage you to look at this with open eyes.  We can both be wrong, but only one of us is right.  I encourage you to look at the facts.

UPDATE:

I’ve been getting a lot of feedback from this post, particularly attacking the credibility of the presenters.  I’m offering to retract this post if someone can show me any incorrect facts/statements made in the above videos, particularly the “Islamic Connection” video presented by Dr. Walter Veith.   If not, please keep the comments related to the videos to add to the discussion.  If you’re going to make dismissive comments, please back it up.  Much Appreciated!

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  1. r ellis permalink
    March 13, 2010 8:25 pm

    IS THE HOLLY PROPHET OF ISLAM THE DEVIL?

    From a purely theological argument this is more then possible. A reading of Christian history and scripture along with that of Islamic history most certainly points out the very different messages and methodology between Mohammad and Jesus. Jesus taught Christianity as a faith of love, tolerance and forgiveness, even of one enemies. Jesus never murdered his fellow man in his attempt to spread the word of God. Mohammad by contrast began killing and murdering almost from the first. Submit to Islamic law ( his idea of law), or die.

    The history of Islam from 571 is one of bloody conquest, invasion, murder, bloodshed, rape and pillage, year after horrible year, right up until today. All the Muslims have been able to do, is create one horrible “hell on earth” for themselves. Perhaps exactly what the devil had in mind for the first.

    “In Medina Mohammad under the influence of some evil force, acquired more followers and soon developed an influence that made him a virtual dictator. During the next few years, while Mohammad’s following grew rapidly, a series of battles were fought between Medina and Mecca. This ended in 630 with Mohammad’s triumphant return to Mecca as conqueror.”

    “Unified by Mohammad, the inspired Arabs, though small then, embarked upon one of the most astonishing series of conquests in human history. They soon conquered all of Mesopotamia, Syria and Palestine. By 642, Egypt had been taken from the Byzantine Empire and the Persian armies defeated in 637, and Nahavend in 642.”

    “For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732 at the Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of Mohammad had CARVED OUT -interesting choice of words for this intolerant and ignorant sheep herder in light of the description above an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean- the largest empire that the world had yet seen.”

    From the above, it can readily be seen that Mohammad was indeed given a “great sword”, one with which he took “peace from the earth”. He also, like Constantine, achieved success in two different ways: as a military conqueror and as a “religious?” leader. (There are an estimated 1,000,000,000 followers of Mohammad today and, ironically, about the same number of Catholics.)

    Taken together, this is almost 2/5ths of the population on the planet! I ask you, is it reasonable that God would be Biblically-silent about these tremendous, religious (although perverted) fronts, both claiming to be linked to Abraham? To me, it is foolhardy to take such a position.

    But, even if he was prophesied to come (as the rider of the red horse), this does not make him a true prophet of God. Mohammad wrote , (actually someone else wrote it, he himself was ignorant and lliterate) that Jesus, while a prophet, was just a man, not incarnate Deity (still believed by Muslims today). Mohammad however believed he was a messenger from God (Allah), and according to him, the last.

    Ironically, just recently I saw in a Christian magazine that Islam is the fastest growing religion in America today. The author had photographed a bumper sticker which said, “Prophets of Islam: Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad”. But all this contradicts Holy Scripture. In 1 John 4:3 we find: “…and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and even now it is already in the world.” The vast majority of the converts to Islam are the destitute cast offs of society, black prisoners and ignorant blacks, the naive and the lost.

    And perhaps even clearer yet, 1 John 2: 22 & 23 says:

    “Who is a LIAR but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son (as does Mohammad) does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son also has the Father.” (Allah is not God!)

    These Scriptures plainly show that it is impossible to know God unless manifested through the Lord Jesus Christ. Thus, his denial that Jesus was the Christ unquestionably proves Mohammad could not have been a true prophet from God.

    However, Mohammad’s insane self belief and power of leadership seems, like all irrational mad men, super-natural. Therefore, we might ask where his power came from? Possibly he was under the direct influence of Satan himself, who the Bible says comes as an “angel of light” (i.e., a communicator of information) the false prophet! Mohammad murdered hundreds of Jews at Medina, personally taking place in the bloody slicing off of the men’s heads. He was covered in human blood, his ears filled with the screams of the dying. He took the women and children as slaves. Contrast this with the life and times of Jesus Christ…….

    Evil exists- no thinking person can doubt this. If love exists as a force for Good, then the opposite of good is evil. Those that make war, murder, rape, pillage and kill and say they do so in the name of God are liars and are acting under evil influence.

    All of us are capable of being tempted by Satan. But at various times and sundry ways, Satan has come to certain individuals who would first give assent to his deceptions, later their entire being, at last, becoming subject to the authority and power he has at his disposal to give them. I believe Mohammad was perhaps one of the most significant of these slaves of Satin in all history. Certainly Hitler, Tojo, Stalin and Sadam Hussian are others who came under the influence of pure evil.

    When Jesus was tempted by Satan, one of the temptations was that he would give Jesus all the kingdoms of this earth if He would but fall down and worship him. Jesus rebuked Satan, and refused to do it. However, Jesus never denied Satan’s authority over these earthly kingdoms. Therefore, based on this Biblical account of Satan’s ways, and on the historical evidence surrounding their lives, I’m Mohammad was chiefly motivated by satanic delusion. What each of them began, would later flourish and in finality become the world’s greatest threats to the Church of God, up to and including this very hour.

    Let’s look at the Biblical account showing how pride entered the picture leading to the Muslim religion. Mohammad was a proclaimed descendant of Ishmael (Abraham’s son by Hagar). No one can verify this and Mohammad himself, as far s can be known, never said it- This myth was written years after his death by people who never knew him. Obviously, the descendants of Ishmael would want their lives to be specially blessed of God and they (I the people who created this story, probably thought this would bolster the mad killers reputation since Ishmael was a son of Abraham. But notice what God actually said about this situation in Genesis 17:20 & 21:

    “And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

    “But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year.”

    This forever establishes that God’s covenanted people would be the descendants of Isaac, later to become the nation of Israel. Clearly, the Bible leaves Ishmael out of this Covenant. He would be “blessed” with many descendants and nations (the Arabic) but he would NOT receive the anointing to be God’s messenger. If Ishmael, Mohammad or any of their followers want to know God, it will have to be the same as for other Gentiles, namely faith placed in the Lord Jesus Christ. But lies, unbelief and pride entered into the Arabic world and subsequently produced their false religion. Again we have it prophesied for us right in God’s Word. Genesis 16:12 gives a clear statement of the character of Ishmael:

    “He shall be a wild man; His hand shall be against every man, And every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.” A rabid band of hateful killers murdering all who stood against them- just as today- Jihad, is all they know.

    Satan knew Mohammad’s point of vulnerability and how to appeal to his pride, convincing him that he had been chosen to declare God’s final message to the world. But because Mohammad’s teachings were so obviously contrary to the Bible, we can be sure he and his followers know nothing of the true, revealed God of Holy Scripture. In fact, because of their rebellion, they have bowed (perhaps unawares) to the “god of this world” (Satan), who inspired their false doctrines. Thus, one can only conclude that the Q’uran, Islam’s ‘holy book’, ( Manual of Arms) are the words planted into the mind of Mohammad directly under ‘inspiration’ from the devil himself.

    DOUBLE-SIDED EVIL

    Up to this point in Revelation chapter six, we see two riders on two horses, the first white; the second red. There is a very significant point to grasp here. Constantine (the white horse rider) started working on the inside of the Church structure of the Christian era. Clearly, the true Gospel became extremely perverted beginning chiefly at that point in time. And because there is a “form of godliness” associated with the “Holy Roman Empire”, the proclamation of the true Gospel would thereafter be conveyed only through greater difficulty. This is a common trick of Satan. It is based upon the Biblical principle—”a small amount of leaven, leavens the whole lump”.

    On the other hand, we see the rider of the red horse, Mohammad, starting a bloody movement outside of the Church. Not only did Mohammad’s teachings pervert the truth of the Gospel, he started a devil worship making no pretenses of a relationship to Christianity, other than the made up story that Mohammad is traceable to Abraham).

    Now, if you have followed my reasoning up to this point you can see Satan had engineered a very clever pair of potentially opposing forces — perverted ‘Christianity’ versus the Islamic religion. It is my belief that neither of these movements were under God’s Divine inspiration, even though by His sovereign wisdom and control, He allowed it to happen, working through them in spite of themselves.

    There have been numerous false religions and perverted ‘Christian’ movements throughout the Christian age but Islam stands head-and-shoulders above all others (together comprising, we have noted, about 2/5ths of the world’s population). And, at the end of the age, I believe these two power structures will once again rise to oppose one another. They will be the stars of the ‘show’ as the final curtain rises. It was so in the Historical Seals and, if I’m right, the pattern will be repeated again, futuristically.

    Scarcity on Earth

    “And when He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, ‘Come and see.’ And I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.

    And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, ‘A measure of wheat for a denarius, and three measures of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.’”

    The Futurists (those who see Revelation as all-yet-future from Rev. 4:1 onward) regard the above passage as only portraying the hard times of the last half of the coming Tribulation- but what about historical hard times? I am amazed that 20th-century Christians, even Church leaders, have such difficulty relating the extremely tough living conditions of the past to Biblical prophecy. Could it be that soft and easy living has made us (particularly Americans and Canadians) so insensitive that we forget the intense survival problems mankind has already faced?

    I am convinced the above prophecy is specifically descriptive of “The Dark Ages”. Modern historians say our knowledge of the era is somewhat limited because even the writers of the day were so strongly affected by the awful conditions of the period that little record is available to us. One encyclopedia said civilization almost completely disappeared in much of Western Europe during this period and that only a few places, such as monasteries, preserved Latin learning. Greek learning almost vanished and few persons received any schooling. Authors of the period had little sense of style. One might well conclude that it was the desperate poverty which ruined the western provinces of the Roman Empire and may well have caused the Dark Ages.

    Now honestly, were you aware of the extent of these horrible conditions? I was not, until the study of Bible prophecy drove me to search out this information. It seems very obvious to me that the “black horse” rider who said “a measure of wheat for a denarius” was prophesying that which both logically and chronologically followed the Constantine and Mohammadan empires, namely the Dark Ages. I suspect the “oil and wine” not being hurt means that the very wealthy still had their luxuries, even in the days of world-wide poverty.

    I could go on with a description of the severity of the Dark Ages and perhaps reading and learning of the depth and extent and the long duration of the period might make us more acutely aware of the era. And with that background it might finally impress on our minds sufficiently just how reasonable is this identification of the “black horse” and its “rider”. However, if I did that with all the prophecies I plan to touch on it would end up being a three-inch-thick history book which few would read. My purpose is to make the identifications, sprinkled with just enough historical evidence to show the soundness of the perspective.

    What I’m trying to say is that even though God sometimes camouflages, He is not a God Who hides things forever. In fact, He has given us His Word in The Revelation, which symbolically sets forth the whole of the Christian age. The main highlights are here for us to see and understand. The commentary on these first three Seals should provide you with enough information to get a gist of how I approached the prophecies of the Bible. Let me illustrate even further the straight-forward approach I’ve used in studying prophecy.

    A “PRETEND TRIP” FROM SAN FRANCISCO TO ATLANTA

    Revelation is a book containing prophetic highlights. Suppose I were to tell you how to drive from San Francisco to Atlanta. Now I could explain every single detail of the journey between the two major cities. But that isn’t necessary or reasonable. All you really need is enough information so that you don’t get lost. Thus, I hit the high points, listing only the names of major cities, identifying the main highway routes and connections, mentioning where to be especially watchful to make sure you get on that highway, saying “turn left” or “turn right” at such-and-such a place, etc.

    So, with only a few sentences it is possible to provide instructions on how to get from San Francisco to Atlanta even though the cities are separated by 2,600 miles. Now along the way you would see many places and things which I wouldn’t have mentioned at all, and yet, you would learn that you didn’t need to know all that information to be sure that you were still on the right road. Occasionally, you would see a highway number or a particular city which I had told you about, confirming and increasing your confidence in the correctness of my instructions to you.
    Now, that little scenario parallels the way I see prophecy. My approach is just that simple! As I said, God is not the author of confusion. For God to leave out long-range predictions in the Scriptures would be like me telling you, “Oh, don’t worry, Atlanta is south-east. Drive in that general direction and you’ll get there. Just trust me. You don’t need to know anything about any major obstacles or anything like that. It would only worry you.” Get the idea?

    I’ve taken my point to this extreme to demonstrate how illogical the Futuristic-only concept really is when you think about it. It may seem that I’m being too cynical as well as belaboring the point but this view is so prevalent, I feel that repeated “blows” will be necessary to jar some readers from adhering to the reasoning of the Futuristic-only principle. Thus, I emphasize clarification of my interpretation principles (i.e., Historical and Futuristic), not so much to insist on acceptance of my specific prophetic identifications, but because I believe so strongly that the approach I’ve taken is both logically and Biblically correct, namely, following the Law of Double Reference.

    THE FOURTH SEAL: Widespread Death on Earth

    7 “And when He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and See.”

    8 “And I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.”

    Ironically, as I was in the process of editing this section, I just ‘happened’ to tune in a television special program about the Roman Empire, the central focus of which was on Constantine. The story graphically confirmed what has already been presented about him in this book, showing conclusively that his prominence in that era was unequalled in terms of ‘conquering’. The show also emphasized the ties he brought about between the Roman government and the Catholic Church. (Incidentally, the program was completely secular, therefore with no Biblical connotations. But I found it really interesting that the narrator ‘just happened’ to include the basic historical facts concerning Constantine’s accomplishments in the very same areas I’ve just been discussing! God’s timing is always right on and his sovereign influence in the lives of even unbelievers is truly an amazing thing to observe.)

    Islam inveded the west in 732 and again in 1389 and 1400′s It is indeed an evil cult spread by the sword.

    • bash permalink
      November 30, 2011 10:44 am

      did you copy that from a site or write it you’re self?

  2. accomplice permalink
    March 31, 2010 10:58 am

    Where he’s made it upside down is wrong. It should have looked like this:

    not, as he made it:

    And even if i give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he rotated it 180*, it still comes out wrong:

    Whether you squeezed them together or not, it wouldn’t spell Allah. He’s used sleight of hand to trick the viewer. I feel sorry for the all the viewers of that video who have been led astray. “A little learning is a dangerous thing”.

  3. March 31, 2010 11:47 am

    Not sure if you provided a link to a photo, but something is missing.

    Sure, if this was the only evidence he provided, then his conclusion is questionable. However, if you watch his lecture on the Islamic Connection, you’ll see all the pieces of his conclusion falling into place.

  4. fire permalink
    April 13, 2010 7:53 pm

    Please,everyone.This is a perfect example of ‘brainwash’.Everyone please keep your own perspective about Islam and if you have questions about Islam then please ask from an unbiased source.The writer is deliberately making Islam sound as a barbaric religion and Muhammed(s.a.w) as a messenger of ‘devil’.

    • April 13, 2010 11:39 pm

      I’m not making any of this up.

      • Nina permalink
        March 8, 2013 12:52 am

        To judge one based on their religion is ignorance, You have your religion and they have theirs. If you were a true religious man you would be care whom they worship. Leave them a lone, and focus on ways that YOU can be better.

  5. gudboy permalink
    April 15, 2010 8:29 am

    ok well then if u spell ‘god’ backwards,it spells ‘dog’ bt that doesnt mean tht god is a dog,does it?!Well according 2 you its the same thing.

    • April 15, 2010 9:13 am

      Apples Oranges dude. Your logic is flawed.

      I have a Satanic source saying the true name of Satan is Yahweh reversed. It’s spelled out clearly in the diagram. Take a look at it again.

    • Anonymous permalink
      April 25, 2012 10:12 pm

      it doesn’t mean god is a dog, but god should be your best friend :D

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 13, 2012 6:48 pm

      Not attentive my friend. Dog will spell SATAN meaning SATAN is a dog which fits;also remember Jesus analogy to the woman begging for her daughter to be healed and Jesus revealing she is a “dog”. The context clearly shows that Jesus does not like the “deeds” of her sort; the deeds must be evil, probably the woman is a witch involved in killing people and now comes begging for her daughter’s life.

      In any case ALLAH = Lord of the Dawn = moon god that causes evil mischief (QURAN 113; 1-3) and also Lord of the world (QURAN 6;45) and Bible says that LORD of the world is SATAN (2Cor4:4).

      Also, ALLAH (Satan in the Bible) is the one that blinds people from believing -Quran 2:6-7

      “As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not WARN THEM; they will not believe – ALLAH hath set a SEAL on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a viel; GREAT is the PENALTY they (incur ).”

      Again Hindu texts prophesied that the LORD of Muhammad is Lord Bali = SATAN and that Muhammad himself is a mystic Demon that reappears from time to time to form a DEMONAIC religion [Bhavishya Puran Prati Sarg Part III,3 5-27].

  6. May 24, 2010 2:31 am

    My Peace Be to All of you,

    I am not here to argue upon what has been published but rather about what has been experienced by me. Brother, please note that the existence of Creator is not be argued or logically proved(even if u could) but its something to be felt. I was and am student of science and logic, and tried my level best to deny the existence of creator. But one fine day looked into my inner-self and challenged, ‘If you, the Creator exist somewhere then guide me’…thanks to Him that He guided me with his mercy and grace.

    After I felt his existence then the quest begun for the purpose of my life, purpose of the world surrounding me…then looked into all the religions and its core message. It was ‘Oneness of Almighty’ and submitting your will to will of God. The next Big Question? If all the religions say Christianity, Hinduism, Bhuddist, Islam etc. are the message of God then why there are contradictions?? But finally my Faith was strengthened by studying and feeling the Truth sent in the form or Quran.

    See brother, we can argue lot of things about past or history which we have not witnessed but just referred from books. This will not yield any positive results. We can argue about Mohammed(PBUH) being brutal(navoozubillha), Jesus (PBUH) being married(navoozubillha) . But does these lead us to right conclusion…??

    If you are really want to feel the existence of God or seek his guidance then try something with your ability, with your knowledge with your time(Present). Not past, not future…its all perceptions. This very moment you live is real and present. Creator says in Quran ‘We have kept the knowledge of our existence in every soul but only their deeds and prejudice fade it away’..Put this verse to test and look into your inner-self..!! He may guide you..

    One last message: I dont want to argue what happens if Allah or Christ or Muhammads’ names are reversed or rotated in different languages of the world. The language we create and with our own logic we come to an illogical conclusion. Does it make any sense?

    I am a normal human being like you and Creator held my hand when I was seeking him..If you are really looking for him then with a clean heart without the distortion of past or heresy.

    May Allah guide you…

    • May 24, 2010 9:20 pm

      Hi Sid,

      Thanks for dropping by. I would like to pose this thought. Yes, I believe in God and He is the God of the Bible. The Bible says that Jesus is God and He is the ONLY way to eternal life. The Quran says that Jesus was only a prophet, and not God. Either one of us is right, or both of us are wrong, but we can’t be both right. If you knew and experienced what I have, then you too would probably believe the same, and that’s why I try to share whatever I study here on this blog.

      I truly believe that the Christian faith that teaches from the Bible alone is the true religion, and anything else is a false religion. Unfortunately that includes Islam. I’d like to direct you to this video on the beginnings of Islam, and the many similarities it shares with the Catholic faith. Hint, they are closely related, believe it or not. Also the teachings of the Catholic Church is NOT true Christian teachings, far from it.

      See for yourself:

      • Big Al permalink
        May 31, 2011 11:19 am

        @ Sid: Sorry, but I don’t buy it friend! Patronizing to convince when ones ears seem to be open appears to be the only thing you’ve targeted to learn from your schooling. You have two choices to take in your next step….Quietly back away and hope one EVENTUALLY will think long enough to believe your ‘bunk story’, …or you will respond and claim that your are smarter than the rest of us by telling us of experience. You may even call someone a name that is in conjunction with ‘stupidity’. All of the tombs of the religions are full except for one, Christ Jesus. All of the education in the world can NOT change this fact. Royal Roman guards guarded the tomb and still He rose as proclaimed by all of the prophesy through the ages. He said that He was the way, truth, and life, and denying Him will NOT get you to past the throne og God into paradise. All of your education can’t change this. It’s fact, it’s documented by not only the apostles but by over 100 Jewish scholars that lived at the time as well. Those that want islamic ways to be predominate have sought education for justification in their WAY OF LIFE and it has been, and forever will be, in vain. So save your breath and efforts to tell the Christians anything my friend. –>big Al

  7. Sameer permalink
    August 16, 2010 6:05 pm

    I don’t enough to comment on the Hebrew writing here.

    However, “Allah” is an Arabic term that simply means “God”. It existed far before the time of Islam. In fact, Arabic-speaking Christians have always used the term “Allah” just as English-speaking Christians use the word “God”.

    See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah#Christianity

    Would Arabic-speaking Christians, who say “Allah” to refer to God, be worshipers of Satan as well?

    • August 17, 2010 10:08 am

      Hey thanks for dropping by, I’m just quoting a known satanic source. Believe it or not, freemasonry and Islam are both tied to the Roman Catholic Church, which does not represent Christianity like they often boast they do. The RCC is what most Protestants refer to as the beast of Revelation, e.g. the Antichrist.

      Watch the video on the “Islamic Connection”. Check it out, take notes, write down any errors, and let me know what you think.

      Blessings

    • anna permalink
      April 3, 2012 9:34 pm

      Muslims are calling their god “Allah” but they don’t realize that the true God is not what they believe. The One and True God of the Bible is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob — God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ the Messiah), and God the Holy Spirit.
      This is totally different from what Islam teaches. Please see the error of Islam. Satan is deceiving those who believe in Islam.

  8. moo-bean permalink
    August 31, 2010 12:00 am

    Questions…
    If Jesus is the “son” of God, where exactly does it say that in the bible and who is God’s wife…or are we to believe that God commanded us against adultry when he himself is guilty of it…?

    Was Christ a Christian?

    Did Jesus ever say that he was the creator of all things?

    What did people believe in before Christ existed?

    Who wrote the bible and what language was it orignally written in?
    If it was written by more than one person, translated and compiled into a book, isn’t it possible that it went thru an “editing” process whereby the final editor could have added or removed or changed whatever they pleased?

    I am not a scholar in religion, but i’m a person who trys to seek the truth. There can only be One God. if there were more, then the strongest one would surely destroy all the weaker ones so that he could be the “top God”. Why would God want to “share” your worship with anyone? That would be like you winning the lotto and the government or some authority telling you that you have to give 2/3 your winnings to your neigbour’s dog that comes over to your place to poop on your lawn…well, i know it’s not the best analogy but i’m hoping u get the picture. Anyway, I know that i didn’t create any of the wonders that i see here on this earth and there are many things that i can’t even begin to explain. so the way i see it, GOD is GOD. Jesus is the son of Mary, and a person who came to tell everyone to follow him and worship GOD. Mohammed(PBUH), is also a person who came to tell everyone that there is only one GOD and that GOD alone is worthy of our worship. I guess i just look at the bigger picture. Jesus was created by GOD so why do so many people worship the creation and not the creator? My vote is with the One who created all things in the heavens and on the earth. And maybe i’m a messenger on earth too…so here’s my message. THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD AND HE ALONE IS WORTHY OF WORSHIP.

    • August 31, 2010 9:52 am

      I’m at work right now, but I’ll answer your first few questions as quickly as possible:

      If Jesus is the “son” of God, where exactly does it say that in the bible

      There are many instances in which Jesus made the claim that he was God, and that made many of his Jewish hearers angry. He was sentenced to death on the charge of ‘blasphemy’, in other words, because he claimed to be God. So it’s pretty clear He made it known He was the Son of God. Here is one clear passage: John 1:1-4

      1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

      So John makes it clear that Jesus, the Word, is God. Here is a summary of my beliefs:

      http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html

      See points 2-5 to get an idea of what the Bible says about God. Point 4 focuses on the Son of God, Jesus and it lists all the texts that you can look up.

      and who is God’s wife…or are we to believe that God commanded us against adultry when he himself is guilty of it…?

      See above link. God does not need a wife, and can’t commit adultery. I don’t know what you’re trying to get at here, its non sequiter.

      Was Christ a Christian?

      Jesus was born a Jew. He’s God. I don’t know what you’re trying to imply here either. Just because he was a Jew, and not “Christian” has nothing to do with anything. Non sequiter? By definition, Christians are followers of Christ/God. You do the math.

      Did Jesus ever say that he was the creator of all things?

      The Bible says he did. See John 1

      What did people believe in before Christ existed?

      They believed in God, namely the Jewish faith. Israel was God’s chosen people on earth. That was until they turned their backs on God and put Jesus to death. Now His people are those who believe in Him and follow his teachings and instructions, as laid out in the Bible.

      Hope that clarifies somethings.

      • moo-bean permalink
        August 31, 2010 11:17 am

        thanks for talking time out to try and answer my questions. like i say i’m not a scholar of religion, just a young person trying to find sesnse amidst nonsense so to speak. i was raised in a christian/adventist home so i altho it may not seem like it to you, i’m familiar with the bible and what it says… so again i ask

        Who wrote the bible and what language was it orignally written in?
        If it was written by more than one person, translated and compiled into a book, isn’t it possible that it went thru an “editing” process whereby the final editor could have added or removed or changed whatever they pleased?

        Since Jesus was a Jew and if we are supposed to follow his example, then shouldnt we all be Jews? and doesnt that mean that before the bible, there was the torrah? and wouldnt that be a more accurate book to follow being that it came at a time closer to creation than the bible?

        If Jesus believed in God the creator, why would he go around telling people that he is God knowing that he himself was created?

        Who was Jesus praying/calling out to when he was on the cross…himself?

        I hope that u dont think my questions are foolish. i’m just curious about the logic of some things from another point of view…like you said “one of the best ways to know your own religion is to study others” i guess that means that the way to understand your faith is to compare it with other people…right?

      • August 31, 2010 12:42 pm

        Who wrote the bible and what language was it orignally written in?
        If it was written by more than one person, translated and compiled into a book, isn’t it possible that it went thru an “editing” process whereby the final editor could have added or removed or changed whatever they pleased?

        Sorry must have glossed over that part for the big paragraph. Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. The OT was well preserved by the Jews, there is no doubt about its accuracy. Not one scribe in their right mind would edit as they please. As for the NT, each writer was inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Bible is clear about that. 2 Pet 1 says:

        20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

        2 Tim 3:

        16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

        Proverbs gives a warning to scribes and writers who think to add/subtract from God’s Word:
        Proverbs 30:

        5 Every word of God is pure;
        He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
        6 Do not add to His words,
        Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

        I can guide you to resources on why we can trust in the Bible. Here’s a quick summary why, think MAPS:

        Manuscripts: The amount and age of the manuscripts that have survived the ages is astonishing. No other work can surpass the Bible in that regard.
        Archaeology: Every shovel that uncovers new finds verifies Biblical history.
        Prophecy: The Bible is dead-on in regards to prophecies made and fulfilled throughout history.
        Statistics: The Bible contains 66 books, written by approximately 40 different writers, over 1600 years, on 3 different continents, in 3 different languages, on thousands of different subjects, yet with one central theme—God’s redemption of mankind from sin won for the whole world by the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

        It doesn’t contradict itself despite the many writers and time periods.

        Phew… One question down. I hope you understand if it takes me a while to respond to all your queries.

        In fact, I’ll create a post answering all your questions, instead of these comments. It’ll be much easier to read. Look out for that shortly.

    • August 31, 2010 10:10 am

      Your last paragraph can be summed up as this. You believe in the God of Mohammed, and that Mohammed says Jesus is only a prophet, a man. I believe Jesus is God.

      Only ONE of us is right, correct? The Koran contradicts the Bible on the extent of who Jesus is.

      I have every reason to believe that the Biblical account is by far the more accurate and reliable account. One reason is that Islam came about 600 years later. Who’s more accurate, eye witnesses or someone 600 years after?

      It’s like taking my testimony of say, WWII, over an actual WWII veteran. Who’s more reliable, someone who fought in the war, or me, a kid born half a century later. It’s only 50 years. How much more 600?

      That is one of the many reasons why I believe in what the Bible says, and not the Koran.

      I took a class in World Religions, and the professor at the beginning of the course mentioned that one of the best ways to know your own religion is to study others. Islam was one of the major subjects we spent time on, and I understand the major differences between Christianity and Islam. The two are totally different, and we worship two different Gods. It just comes down to which writings are more historically accurate, and reliable. Frankly, the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation is above anything else.

      God bless.

    • anna permalink
      April 3, 2012 9:41 pm

      Yes, of course there is only One God. If you pray to the One God and ask Him to reveal the truth to you, He Certainly will. God did Not create Jesus. There are 3 persons in One God — God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit. Because of your limited human capacity, it is hard for you to comprehend how there can be 3 persons in One God, but that’s the complete truth and one needs to believe it. Again, God did not create Jesus. In the Bible Jesus said “I and the Father are one”. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (begotten not made or created). I will pray for you.

  9. moo-bean permalink
    August 31, 2010 12:03 am

    i hope u got my message….

    • August 31, 2010 2:32 am

      Yes I did. That’s a lot of questions in one paragraph, I’ll answer them at a more reasonable time, e.g. not 3:30am :) I also encourage you to watch the video I linked above, the Islamic Connection. Check it out to see what you think. The connection between the Roman Catholic Church and Islam is undeniable. If you’re seeking the truth like you say, you’ll watch it with an open mind. Blessings

    • August 31, 2010 8:02 pm

      Let me ask you a question? What makes you think Islam is the true religion? I want to see your reasoning.

      • moo-bean permalink
        September 1, 2010 1:13 am

        hi again.
        i saw the new post.
        this is actually my first time ever reading or commenting on a blog thing so i hope i haven’t taken up too much of your time or space…
        thanks for CORRECTLY “assuming” that i am a Muslim and that i believe that Islam is the true religion as i didn’t actually say it in my posts :) … Anyway, i DO believe that Islam is the true religion because it makes sense to me. again let me remind you that i am not a scholar of religion- just a young person who beliveves in the One true God. (May Allah guide my speech and make it easy for me to express my views in a way that pleases Him and can be understood by those who may read.) I have read the bible and i have read the Qu’ran. And as far as my knowledge extends, they both have a “similar” message within, which is that in the beginning, there was GOD. God is God and He alone is worthy of worship. GOD is THE great and powerful creator of ALL things. He has power and dominion over the heavens and the earth. He doesn’t sleep. He sees all things, hears all things and knows all things -both hidden and open- and everything happens by His will and His Command.

        When i read the Qu’ran, i see it as a book of truth confirming truths in the books that came before it- the Bible and the Torrah -and countering the falsehoods within them. The fact that the Qu’ran is presented in it’s original language and text makes me feel even more confident that it has not been altered by “well-meaning editors” or anyone else for that matter. in my opinion, the bible has had many “potential opportunities” for things to be added to it or taken out of it, since it was, as u stated earlier, written in at least 3 different languages and by several contributers and then compiled into one book. Sometimes exchanging one word for a word that may be commonly used as a synomym for it, can completely change the entire meaning of a sentence or an entire text -wheather done intentionally or unintentionally…sometimes, all it would take would be a change in one letter!

        Really, I just don’t understand why some poeple “stop short” in their worship. Why should I worship one who is created and has no power to create anything on their own when i can worship the One who created everything? I can easily acknowledge that Jesus was sent to mankind with a specific purpose- to tell us all to worship GOD. He brought the message and glad tidings to all who believe in the oneness of GOD -just as Abraham, Noah, & Moses did before him and Muhammad(PBUH) did after him. Every one of the messengers who i just mentioned were denied by their own people. Some thought they were crazy or that they were just making up stories but God’s command proved true against all who worshiped others besides Him. Jesus performed many “miracles” but ONLY thru GOD and by GOD’s command. God doesnt have any needs and He doesn’t have or need any “sons” or “daughters” or “partners.” I highly doubt that Jesus would actually ever say to mankind that he himself is GOD and that we should worship him!

        Also, I believe that Islam is the true religion because I don’t believe that there should only be one day when we set aside time for God. i am not too proud to bow to Him with humility or to prostrate myself humbly before Him. I pray AT LEAST 5 times a day EVERYDAY and most of what i do in prayer is gloryify God, thank him for all the blessings He has bestowed on me, and ask Him to guide me and forgive my sins because i KNOW i’m not even close to being perfect. i’m human. i make mistakes and at times i’m tempted to do things that i know i should not do.

        Yes, there are times when i may want something or feel that there is something that i need but all i have to do is ask God and I know that He hears me when I pray. I’ve seen so much proof of that. I would be a fool not to believe. My Qu’ran teaches that we as humans are far from perfect but God is merciful and forgiving to those of us who believe in Him,repent with sincerity, strive to do good and turn away from that which is evil. God never gives us more than we can bear. To me, that is a very wonderful and comforting thing. I believe that I am one of God’s MANY creations. When i look around me every single day i am amazed at how truely vast His creation is.

        Anyway, i didn’t come on here to try to tell u what to believe. i was just curious to know why u belive what u do- just as u may have been curious to know why i believe as i do. the truth is, it may be that u and i will not see things eye to eye in this lifetime…but i feel i have done my duty -which is to convey the message so to you your religion and to me mine and i guess we’ll have to wait until the day of judgement to see which of us is on a path that is closer to God’s command. May God open your heart and guide you towards a straight path. May He help you to put your trust in Him and to depend on Him for all your needs. May bestow His wisdom and knowledge on you so that you may one day understand that there is only One God and that He alone is worthy of worship…

        until then…peace :)

  10. moo-bean permalink
    August 31, 2010 6:24 am

    hi again. got a couple more questions for you …

    do you read and explore your “satanic sources” with an open mind?
    if u do, isn’t that like letting satan have his way with your thoughts?
    personally, whenever i read something that i wish to see the truth in, i first seek refuge with God from Satan and ask God to let me be able to sort truth from falsehood. i belive that God leads us to the truth… but some people refuse to see it. for example, i once met someone who’s parents were Satanists. If a child is brought up in a home where both his mother and father devoutly worshipped Satan, he might grow up to also worship as they do. But eventually, he might come to realize that the things his parents believed in were wrong or at least questionable. The person i met is now a pastor in a Christian church… anyway, it seems that some people don’t even know why they believe what they belive. they just do it because their parents and grandparents and great great grandparents did. Does that make it right? If you find truth in something different than what your parents or foreparents believed, isn’t an “upgrade” in order? For example-Correct me if i’m wrong but according to Christian, Jewish AND Islamic tradition, didn’t Abraham’s father worship idols? …. And yet look how he turned out :) ! He was blessed! He was a true believer and a “friend” of GOD! and as far as I know, Jesus wasn’t around at that time… anyway, back to the questions…
    Do you believe in GOD, the One,Almighty, Most Powerful, All Knowing ,Creator of all things?
    Do you believe in angels?
    Do you believe that there are “books” that contain the word of God and that they are a guidance for people of faith?
    Do you belive that there is a heaven and a hell and that we all have to answer to our deeds on the day of judgement?
    Do you belive that God can and has sent people to remind us that He is Lord and that we should worship Him?…just curious.
    peace

    • March 31, 2012 1:10 am

      all who deny Jesus as lord and savior is a false. try and back islamic faith with anything allah is not God. and any questions for how Jesus is God. thats what the trinity is. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. doesnt matter what your religion is. Islam, Jew, Christian, Atheist, Satanist whatever. if Jesus Christ isnt lord than all of it is AntiChrist.

      • March 31, 2012 1:34 am

        The Truth About Islam

        Islam originated in c. 610 AD by Muhammad the Qurayshis, a well-to-do merchant living in the city of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, who began to receive revelations from ‘Allah’ which would continue for the next 23 years until his death in 632. These revelations were later recorded into a book which is known as the Qu’ran, and today more than 1.4 billion people follow the teachings of the Qu’ran and are known as Muslims. What many people do not know is that ‘Allah’ does not exist and Muhammad is a false prophet, and those who adhere to his teachings are actually giving heed to “seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.” (1 Timothy 4:1)

        THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD

        When Muhammad first received these revelations he would be gripped by epileptic seizures and fits of convulsions. Muhammad himself doubted whether his revelations were from God or not, even fearing that he was demon possessed:

        “Naturally he was scared, and intimated to his wife, Khadija, the fear that he might even be possessed by an evil spirit . . . Stricken with panic, Muhammad arose and asked himself, “What did I see? Did possession of the devil which I feared all along come to pass?” . . . When he calmed down, he cast toward his wife the glance of a man in need of rescue and said, “O Khadijah, what has happened to me?” He told her of his experience and intimated to her his fear that his mind had finally betrayed him, and that he was becoming a seer or a man possessed.” [Haykal, The Life of Muhammad, p.73-75]

        “That he was possessed by a Jinni – for him, with his beliefs, an evil spirit – was his first thought, and only gradually did he come to the conviction that this was divine inspiration, and not diabolical obsession.” [MacDonald, The Religious Attitude and Life in Islam, p. 33]

        According to Muhammad, it was the archangel Gabriel who appeared to him and delivered these Qu’ranic revelations. The Bible says, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8) Eventually, not without hesitation, did he declare that his visions were from God. Muhammad was wrong.

        In 622, Muhammad and his followers were expelled from Mecca and moved to Medina where they created the very first Muslim community, and then proceeded to wage war against the Meccans. After eight years of bloodshed, the Muslims conquered the city with a force of ten thousand men and established Mecca as the Islamic capital of the world. After the capture of Mecca, many of the Arabian tribes joined Muhammad and coverted to Islam. Muhammad sent out his commanders to spread Islam with this command:

        “When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to [accept] Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. … If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.” [Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Number 4294]

        Many Muslims today will tell you that Islam is a religion of peace, however history proves them wrong. Their founder and leader was man of war who shed blood and conquered by the sword. Compare Muhammad with Jesus: Our Lord never used a sword. Our Lord restrained Peter from using a sword. Our Lord commanded us to love our enemies. Our Lord said to Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight.” (John 18:36) Muhammad’s kingdom was of this world.

        Muhammad was Biblically disqualified from being a spiritual leader or prophet according to Titus 1:6-9: “If any be blameless, the husband of one wife…” Muhammad was a polygamist, who even married a girl nine years of age, “…no striker…” which disqualifies him on account of his violence, and “…holding fast the faithful word…” Muhammad changed and manipulated the Bible to suit his own religion, forsaking sound doctrine for “cunningly devised fables”, as we shall see in the next section.

        THE TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD

        “He has revealed to you the Book of truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Torah and the Gospel aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Qu’ran.” (Surah 3:3)

        Muhammad firmly taught that the Bible, Old and New Testament, were given by ‘Allah’ and were to be obeyed as the Word of God. The Qu’ran refers to Christians and Jews as “People of the Book”; those to whom the Bible was given. Both Moses and Jesus are considered prophets in Islam. However, Muhammad runs into a major problem here because the Qu’ran seriously and fundamentally contradicts the Bible on nearly every important issue. For example:

        -the Qu’ran says Allah made His covenant with Ishmael. The Bible says God made His covenant with Isaac
        -the Qu’ran says that blood does not atone for sins. The Bible says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins
        -the Qu’ran says Allah has no begotten Son. The Bible says that God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son
        -the Qu’ran says that Jesus was just another prophet. The Bible says that Jesus is the Christ
        -the Qu’ran says that Jesus was just a man. The Bible says that Jesus is Lord
        -the Qu’ran says that Jesus did not die on the cross. The Bible says that Jesus died on the cross to save us from our sins

        In light of such monumental discrepancies, how could Muhammad have made the claim that the Bible and the Qu’ran were both the Word of God? There’s only one thing he could do… Muhammad declared that the Bible had been corrupted and altered, and that the Qu’ran was Allah’s answer to the problem, verifying the truth that had been lost by the People of the Book. To the Jews, this is an insult. To the Christians, this is a joke.

        The Jewish people love the Law; they value and esteem it above all else that is in the world, so much so that they even missed their own Messiah because of their inordinate love for the written Word of God (John 5:39-40). To say that they corrupted the Bible would insult their very Jewishness. Hebrew scholars were the ‘computers’ of their day. If a new scroll erred at all, even in punctuation, it was discarded and burned. Hebrew letters are also numbers, and if the sum of a new text was not equal to the sum of the original text the scroll was destroyed. With other such precautions scribes diligently supervised the Holy Scriptures’ preservation. Perfection was demanded. There is no way the Jews corrupted their most beloved possession. Certainly Jesus did not think it was corrupted: “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” (Matthew 5:18)

        To the Christians, Muhammad’s claim is ridiculous and without reasonable basis. Muhammad was suggesting that in less than 600 years the New Testament was perverted; it’s authentic Gospel unable to decipher. Athiests often make this assumption as well, but fact affirms the opposite. The Ante-Nicean fathers (those elders immediately following the twelve Apostles, appointed by the Apostles themselves) wrote extensive commentaries on the New Testament Scriptures, quoting every verse that we have in our present day Bible (with the exception of thirteen, found mainly in 2nd and 3rd John). These writings prove that the Bible was not in the least corrupted, but that the Scriptures we have today are as authentic as the Scriptures used in the days of the Apostles. And if perfect today, how much more only 600 years after? Muhammad’s claim is absurd, and he argues against God who said, “All flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth forever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.” (1 Peter 1:24-25) God will not suffer His Word to be moved.

        It is on this point that Islam ultimately falls through. If the Bible was corrupted, then the Qu’ran might of had a chance, but because the Word of God stands sure forever, the Qu’ran has absolutely no authority and Islam crumbles to pieces. It is the word of ancient history or the word of modern manipulation. It is the word of eyewitnesses or the word of an uninformed epileptic. It is the Word of God or the word of a man possessed by devils. Let the facts decide for you.

        THE TRUTH

        Emperor Manuel II Paleologus of Byzantine said in 1391: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” This was said during a time of great Islamic expansion, and I fear we are on the breaking point of another such episode. Islam is not a religion of peace: they will blow us up just for questioning their peaceful intentions and thus prove the point. The Bible prophesied of the enmity which would be between the world and the Muslims. “And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.” (Genesis 16:11-12) The Bible is swollen with fulfilled prophecy, yet the Qu’ran does not utter a single one.

        I write this for those dear Muslims who are deceived by the lies of the devil through this man Muhammad. Jesus said, “If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.” (John 7:37) You may find yourself dying of thirst in the desert like Hagar and Ishmael because of your sins, and you know that if you don’t find drink you will die. The Bible says that the Father loved you so much He gave Jesus Christ His own Son to died on the cross for your sins and bear your iniquities so that you can be delivered. Isa is your Well of ZamZam. If you repent today and call upon God to save you, you shall be saved, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 12:37 pm

        You know what there wont be any muslim who has once read Quraan and believed in it to ever accept at heart Jesus as son of God(nauzubillah)..never it is impossible…our confusions,questions and doubts regarding faith are very much adressed by Islam..there can be few lost that will do for monetry or financial help but never from heart!…However there are many christians I dont say jews(they have a world of their own)…are in doubts regarding christianity and no one can deny this…all converts always say onething Islam adresses each and every question they had…so when you guys attack Islam the ensuing discussion actually helps us spread the truth further..there have been instances that those who actually attacked Islam at the end embraced Islam..I just heard of a person who strarted this campaign for ban on minaretes of mosques in switzerland..which eventually lead to a referendum on the topic, actually embraced Islam and wants to make the most beautifull Masjid(mosque) in switzerland..Christians are actually good hearted lot who are lost right now..the fact tht they look for answers makes them seekers of truth…we dont ask you to embrace Islam..all we want you is to look for objections on Islam and Quraan..study it..thats about it..if the key opens the lock then you were meant to have truth…

      • August 1, 2012 12:52 pm

        I’ve personally never met, or know of any Christians that have converted to Islam. However, I do know a few former Muslims that are now Christian.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 1:53 pm

        ok then you must be the better judge of that , but I must say that numbers will be few and if you will go into depth of reasons why they rejected Islam you will find many personal reasons., father was muslim but mother wasnot..father was abusive etc…or girlfriend they wanted to mary were strict christians so he had to convert for her,.some may have converted to fit in the crowd..I say this because of all the people I have met in my life even the non practicing muslims, I never for once had the discussion with anyone not satisfied with Islam, I never for once myself find anything illogical(btw every religion is in truest sense illogical! because where logic stops, faith begins) in Islam.All you have to do is to understand the context and analyze with an unbiased heart, It should not be an effort to dismiss or to find faults as with this frame of mind you will see what you want to see
        ,
        I had a secular education, I have analyzed critically my national history and religious history with every attempt to alleviate Bias and prejudice.Read books that arent usually read as a local curriculum books because they project a rather unacceptable picture of national and religious character.I had countless discussions with my christian friends(who generously gave me a copy of bible)..and after all this I came to the conclusion that human mind resists change..it isnt about right or wrong..logic can be twisted, facts produced..you believe what you want to believe, there are many other thngs at play rather than your thirst for truth..material benefits for one are a very strong motivation for maintaining status quo… at my place we have a sort of sect of people who know their sect or religion is a joke, hogwash deep down they know, but they still adhere to it.It becomes more of an association, a social group that has connections at higher echelons, with economic security and most of all they feel safe in a pack(cult).

        how many converted for the sake that they thought Islam was inadequate?..and how many of those converted are practicing Christians?..Iam not in mood to debate or anything just light exchange of views..I think I have done enough of preaching and conveyed our side of story on this blog…:)..

      • August 1, 2012 2:07 pm

        I appreciate the discussion you bring to this blog, so thank you for the time and effort you put into your comments.

        As far as the personal examples i know of, both became Christian because they were convicted of the truth as taught in the Bible. It made sense to them, and the promise of eternal life as offered by the death/resurrection of Jesus.

        Both came from muslim families, where both parents were muslim. In one case, the parents threatened to disown their daughter if she got baptized. It was that bad… in the end, she stayed true to her convictions and even her parents started studying the Bible and praise God were convinced of the truth, and they too got baptized.

        One of the questions that stuck out in their minds was why if Moses and Jesus are considered Prophets, why does Mohammad contradict their teachings. They were convinced that the Bible is the only source of truth and Mohammad couldn’t have received messages from God since due to the varying accounts. It’s a wonderful testimony and I wish I have a recording to post here. These are some of the limited stories that I have personally heard, but I’m sure there are many more out there.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 2:37 pm

        much appreciated.Likewise I have seen people with conflicts with their christian faiths specially Holy trinity that made them accept Islam.

        I must add however Muhammad(PBUH) never contradicts Moses or Jesus.Commandments, methods and practices change with age.Jews said that Jesus contradicts Moses once didnt they?…Progression!..like I said before human mind hates change!

      • August 1, 2012 2:49 pm

        To clarify, Jews back in Jesus’ day didn’t believe that he was the prophesied messiah. Jesus never contradicted the teachings of Judaism, he in fact defended and adhered to the teachings and promoted the keeping of the Law and 10 commandments. Christianity is a continuation of the Jewish faith. Islam is totally different from those two.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 2:45 pm

        One thing more probably you would have heard before that Muslims consider the true followers of Jesus, Moses for that matter any Prophet as muslims, but only those who died before Islam and followed judaism and Christianity in the purest forms..and on the day of judgement they will enter together with their Prophet with us (those who were pious) to heaven.We muslims of today dont proclaim that only we have the right to enter Heaven..

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 2:56 pm

        so why a new book then? why not Torah?

      • August 1, 2012 3:06 pm

        Well, the Bible already includes the Torah, as well as the books written by the prophets leading up to Christ (Old Testament) as well as the Gospel accounts by several of Jesus’s disciples, letters from Paul and and other apostles (New Testament). The Old and New harmonize, on predicting the coming of Christ, the other giving an account of his life, and predicting his return to save ALL those that believe in him. Mohammad’s account doesn’t square with either Old or New testament… Jew’s don’t believe Christ is the messiah, hence only believe in the OT writings.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 2:59 pm

        Islam seems alien because you confuse religion with culture, namely Arab culture.the commandments are more or less the same, can you point out the differences?

      • August 1, 2012 3:16 pm

        I’m not confusing religion with culture. I’m pretty sure the religion is based on the Koran, which I believe is not the divine revelation of God. The Bible says to tests future prophets, and if their words don’t line up with Scripture, they are false prophets. Mohammad’s teachings contradict Scripture, therefore that is why I don’t accept his teachings. I have nothing against muslims, they are nice and pious people. I have a problem with the teachings of Islam, and the violence it incites in many cases. Hence my belief of Islam as a false religion, and the video that I’ve posted that shows ties to the Catholicism, which is another false religion.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        August 1, 2012 3:28 pm

        Peaceful co existance it is then..:)…I imagined honestly without prejudice(upto a certain extent ofcourse) what if I had christian beliefs and It didnt click and iam not talking of thinking whether I should join Christianity or not just The “what if”…I gave it a honest chance though I hope you will too or already done then never mind…see you on the day of judgement(I believe this we can agree on!..and see whose faith was the right one)…tc

      • August 1, 2012 3:34 pm

        Yes, we can agree to disagree. I’ve studied several religions, and especially Islam given the growing awareness and news that surrounds it. I am not convinced. If leaders of Islam can call for violence and retribution, when Christ called for believers to turn the other cheek, it is obvious that Islam is not a continuation of the Judeo/Christian tradition. It is too bad that in Islamic countries, they forbid the teaching of other religions. It’s like they are threatened by Christian missionaries if they open up their lands. Actions do speak louder than words.

  11. September 8, 2010 6:16 pm

    MIRACLE OF ALLLAH

    http://numerical19.tripod.com/

    THE SIGN OF MUHAMMAD S.A.S IN DEUTERONOMY 18:18-22

    http://numerical19.tripod.com/deuteronomy.htm

    Prophet Muhammad in the Gospel of Barnabas

    http://numerical19.tripod.com/muhammad_in_barnabas.htm

    How to Convert to Islam and Become a Muslim

    http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/?gclid=CJH3rs_4-KMCFdgv3wodzkJXIw

    Muhammad in the Bible and Other Scriptures

    http://www.islamreligion.com/category/36/

    http://www.islamreligion.com

    The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science – Part 2/4 – Dr. Zakir Naik & Dr. William Campbell

    PART 3

    PART 4

    ALLAHU EKBER ,LA IL-LAHE IL ALL-LLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULOLLAH

  12. Victoria permalink
    September 17, 2010 10:00 pm

    Oh no, you know what that means… in English God spelled backwards is “dog!” Oh no! We all have to get rid of our pets!!

    • TruGRL permalink
      September 13, 2011 1:34 pm

      Victoria, the truth is God did not create dogs. He created wolves, which people domesticated as house pets. Just like He did not create dinosaurs, but the antediluvians crossbred or hybridized animals to create gigantic monsters now known as dinosaurs, much like people still do today (http://yhoo.it/cGZolH). This is why dinosaurs were not found on the ark, but we have evidence of them through fossil remains from the Flood.

      If anything, God calls homosexuals “dogs” (Rev. 22:15), but we won’t go there. http://bit.ly/oqPkVR

      If you cannot accept what Freemason, Albert Pike wrote himself in “Morals and Dogmas” concerning Luciferians, don’t make yourself look foolish by trying to relate two unrelated terms. Use wisdom. If you notice, the author of this post is merely quoting what the wizard, Albert Pike wrote himself and provided evidence to prove his claims. Don’t shoot the messenger. Do the research yourself before you try to discredit the author. All he’s trying to do is make readers and worshippers of these religions alike aware of the true nature of these religious institutions.

      As a former heavy metal enthusiast, Satan refers to himself as God and all the other names bestowed to God. His goal is to have everyone worship him, a goal which began in heaven and he has not changed his mind still. So, don’t be fooled when worshippers mention the name of God, but is really referring to the Satan. He doesn’t care what you call him as long as you are paying homage to him instead of the one true God in heaven.

      A few sources: (About dogs) http://bit.ly/9k2yDT, http://bit.ly/5kthqM, http://on.natgeo.com/bzp9k7, (about dinosaurs) http://bit.ly/oJLkko, http://bit.ly/ocqLpD

      • anna permalink
        April 3, 2012 10:03 pm

        So well put. Thank you. Yes, Satan does refer to himself as God. And yes, all he cares about is that he is worshipped instead of the One true God in heaven. So please, worship the One true God in heaven. Satan has always wanted to exalt himself above the throne of God and that brought about his evilness. No one can possibly exalt themselves above the throne of God because there is no one equal to God much the less better or higher than God. It is simply not possible. Sinful men continually try to be gods in their own lives and thus we see the consequences of that evil here on earth — greed, war, jealousy, hatred, etc. It is only through submission to the One and only God that we can actually see the flaw of these actions and get help. “For God so loved the world (all mankind) that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life” (John 3:16). No one, absolutely no one, can come to God (God the Father) but through Jesus Christ and his atonement on the cross for our sins. You can try any other route you want (Islam, Budism, etc), but unfortunately you will Not succeed. I guarantee you, you will not succeed. Save yourself the heartache and pain, accept the truth. Jesus said “You will know the truth and the truth shall set you free” (John 8:32). Peace be to you from our Lord Jesus Christ. Three Persons in One God — the Holy Trinity.

  13. February 14, 2011 7:17 am

    Dear emmilglenn,
    If Muslims worship satan, the why in the earth Al-Qur’an teaches them to make satan as the ENEMY no 1?

    |When thou dost read the Quran, seek God’s protection from Satan the rejected one. No authority has he over those who believe and put their trust in their Lord. His authority is over those only, who take him as patron and who join partners with God|. (16: 98–100)

    |Verily Satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents,that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire|. (35: 6)

    |If a suggestion from Satan assail thy (mind), seek refuge with God; for He hears and knows (all things). Those who fear God, when a thought of evil from Satan assaults them, bring God to remembrance, when lo! They see (aright)! But their brethren (the evil ones) plunge them deeper into error, and never relax (their efforts)|. (7: 200–02)

    Satan’s role in the story of Adam’s creation

    And behold, We said to the angels: “Bow down to Adam” and they bowed down. Not so Iblis (Satan): he refused and was haughty: he was of those who reject Faith. (2: 34)

    It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who bow down. (God) said: “What prevented thee from bowing down when I commanded thee?” He said: “I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay.” (God) said: “Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures).” (7: 11–13)

    Behold! We said to the angels: “Prostrate unto Adam”: They prostrated except Iblis (Satan): He said, “Shall I prostrate to one whom Thou didst create from clay?” He said: “Seest Thou? This is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway – all but a few!” (17: 61–62)

    Now, let us dwell for a short while on these Quranic verses, which tell of the roles of both man and Satan:

    (The Pagans), leaving Him, call but upon female deities: They call but upon Satan the persistent rebel! God did curse him, but he said: “I will take of Thy servants a portion marked off; I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by God.” Whoever, forsaking God, takes Satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest. Satan makes them promises, and creates in them false desires; but Satan’s promises are nothing but deception. (4: 117–20)

    He said, “Seest Thou? This is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgement, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway – All but a few!” (God) said: “Go thy way; if any of them follow thee, verily Hell will be the recompense of you (all) – an ample recompense. And arouse those whom thou canst among them, with thy (seductive) voice; make assaults on them with thy cavalry and thy infantry; mutually share with them wealth and children; and make promises to them. But Satan promises them nothing but deceit. As for My servants, no authority shalt thou have over them: Enough is thy Lord for a Disposer of affairs.” (17: 62–65)

    (Iblis/Satan) said: “O my Lord! Give me then respite till the Day the (dead) are raised.” (God) said: “Respite is granted thee till the Day of the Time appointed.” (Iblis) said: “O my Lord! Because Thou hast put me in the wrong, I will make (wrong) fair-seeming to them on the earth, and I will put them all in the wrong, Except Thy servants among them, sincere and purified (by Thy Grace).” (God) said: “This (way of My sincere servants) is indeed a way that leads straight to Me. For over My servants no authority shalt thou have, except such as put themselves in the wrong and follow thee.” (15: 36–42)

    He said: “Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way: Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies).” (God) said: “Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee – Hell will I fill with you all.” (7: 16–18)

    And Satan will say when the matter is decided: “It was God Who gave you a promise of Truth: I too promised, but I failed in my promise to you. I had no authority over you except to call you but ye listened to me: then reproach not me, but reproach your own souls. I cannot listen to your cries, nor can ye listen to mine. I reject your former act in associating me with God. For wrong-doers there must be a grievous penalty.” (14: 22)

    • February 16, 2011 3:17 pm

      You may be right that the Qu’ran calls Satan an enemy, but try to understand where Islam came from. Watch the video, and comment on the presenters inaccuracies.

      • March 29, 2011 9:52 am

        Don’t watch anything from people who do not learn Islam correctly. That will make you stupid because you are following stupid people.

      • March 29, 2011 9:59 am

        Can you show me anything from the videos above which is inaccurate? Please show me where he is wrong, and I’ll retract this post. If not, please refrain from ad hominems if you can not back up the “stupid people” claim.

        Please watch and take notes of where he is wrong, and provide evidence.

        If not, your post is just empty rhetoric.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 10:24 pm

      Dear Numerical19,

      You are in my prayers as I see your heart and thoughts seem to be searching the truth, but I can see you haven’t found it. Yes, Koran says to make Satan the enemy, but you need to see that the truth is Not in the Koran. “Satan is a liar and the father of lies” (John 8:44). Satan will do Anything and absolutely Everything in his power to try to deceive us. “For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 2:11). Since he does that, he certainly will not come out and say “hey you guys, I’m Satan so please don’t believe that the Koran was not a book from God”. Why would he do that? If he did, he would be giving himself away and exposing his lie. So obviously he makes his lies sound good so that he can deceive people into believing his lies. The spirit who appeared to Muhammad was the spirit of Satan and not angel Gabriel. Satan puts enough lies in the Koran so he can deceive people into thinking the Koran is true and one he has accomplished this task, then he can get you to believe other lies in the Koran — the lie that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross and that He was not the Messiah. And this is Totally False. Jesus Christ was God incarnate, sent by God the Father, to die for the sins of mankind so mankind can be redeemed. Please pray to God and He will help you understand this. Please ask Him to show you the truth, and if you ask him that in all sincerity, He Will answer you and show you the truth — I guarantee you. Please don’t fall into Satan trap — He is a great deceiver. Peace be with you!

  14. March 8, 2011 8:03 am

    dear brother emilglenn,the video source that u referred to not necessarily has to be precise.i deduce the source mightbe huddled with concoctions and misconceptions which would incline u to think that ISLAM is associated with evil and its a false religion which is certainly not the truth.if u r to find the true meaning of ISLAM and determine its origin,as being a practicing muslim i would urge u to go through AL QURAN[the last divine book of the GOD].AFTER reading the book i ensure u that u would certainly realise the truth.if u find it hard to recite the QURAN there r english translations of the QURAN available in some libraries which can make it clear and concise for u to understand.
    if a muslim doesnt believe in ISA(AM) or Jesus as a PROPHET, ALLAH SAYS THAT he doesnt deserve to be known as a muslim.u see brother,ISLAM is against extortions and all sorts of despicable acts.but there r people who consider themselves as muslims and entail butcheries and homocides.they dont deserve to be called muslims.ISLAM tells us that if u save one life u have saved the whole of humanity.
    i quite agree with sid and as he said “may ALLAH guide u on the right path”
    from rafeed,a staunch muslim and a citizen of a country named bangladesh. enquiries at rnasif@ymail.com

    • March 29, 2011 8:52 am

      Hi Rafeed,

      Thanks for your comment. I have nothing personally against Islam or Muslims, my goal here is to make people aware the true roots of Islam. As you can see in the video’s I’ve linked that, Islam and Catholicism have very close ties, and are somewhat similar in their practices.

      I do not believe it (the Quran) is the last word of God. For one, it contradicts the teachings of the Bible, and the teachings of Moses. God does not change, so for Muhammad to declare that Jesus was only a prophet is a clear contradiction of the Bible’s teaching, and therefore its inspiration is not from God.

      I believe that the older, more historical witnesses as seen in the Jewish and Christian manuscripts are by far more accurate. i.e. (Mohammad commenting on Christ 600 years after the fact, is less reliable than an actual eyewitness accounts, ala Matthew, Mark, Luke, John)

      May God continue to bless you as you seek the truth.

  15. Heaven permalink
    June 5, 2011 4:23 am

    lol

    this is so silly i feel so sorry for anyone who believes that, it is highly unlikely that the devils name is Allah…. first of all….. the word Allah is used by arab christians as well, it is not soley a muslim name for god…… SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CHRISTIAN GOD ALLAH IS SATAN AS WELL????????? secondly, i doubt the devil would create a religion that makes it COMPULSARY to give money and food to the poor, to love jesus and all the prophets, to only speak well of people, to only do right by people, to not commit adultry, to not harm any living thing, to seek refuge in god from the devil etc etc etc etc COME ON PEOPLE use your intellegence or at least dont insult mine

  16. Heaven permalink
    June 5, 2011 4:32 am

    i also think that regardless of what religion you are, if you believe in your god and in his book, then dont you think he would have told you that the devils name is Allah if it were so? and at least warned you about his name so that you may identify him?

    do you really think that god is going to make you spell things backwards and go and find this video before you discover who the devil is?

    god tells us who the devil is by telling us his name and how he became to be the devil and how he effects us.

    instead of worrying about what his name is, why dont we just stay steadfast in our prayers and good deeds, therefore we will be defeating the devil REGARDLESS OF WHAT HIS NAME IS

    • June 6, 2011 11:52 am

      Have you watch the videos to get the entire context? I was just merely pointing out a clip I thought was interesting. I suggest you see his presentation on the Islamic Connection, and how Islam really is a form of Roman Catholicism dressed up to appeal to Arabs. And according to the Bible, the RCC is the “beast” of Revelation, i.e. Anti-Christ.

      From what I learned, Satan deceives and misleads people away from the truth by creating COUNTERFEITS. For example, the Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday… Marriage to Gay Marriage… Prophets with False Prophets, etc.
      He also makes religions that seem like a good thing, but are also clearly false… i.e. Islam. So false that when you challenge the veracity of their truths, you automatically get labeled a heretic or unbeliever, and won’t even bother trying to defend your position.

      It seems to be the trend in the comments here. I get comments denouncing my views, but nothing to substantiate or back up their claims to show me where I’m wrong.

      • ovi permalink
        January 15, 2012 7:54 pm

        I’ve been attentively reading this entire blog and I have watched you courageously take on dozens of people, it is trully impressive how well you have stood against everybody that opposes you, you are well knowledgeable in what you study and it seems you are opposed by countless non scholars. But it seems you have one major flaw, a flaw that is also amongst all of the people posting comments in this entire blog, may Allah forgive me if I say something in disrespect or perhaps misguidedly and question Allahs commands that he conducted through all our prophets (p.b.u.t)

        A common flaw exists amongst all of you, a flaw that is none of you will accept that there is a possibility that perhaps what you think you know could possibly be slightly wrong or ranging towards being completely misguidedly wrong. There are many probabilities to what has happened in the past, what I urge you to do is to not wait for somebody to prove you wrong, but rather go see if you are wrong.

        Today, after praying my namaaz, I googled the followong: “satanic connections to islam”, I’m a muslim, I come from an extremely pious family and my mother is very very gifted, she sees dreams about things of things to come or things that are happening or things in secret. She is as far away from any satanic work possible, she does not conduct rituals that are demonic, no, she reads the entire quraan a few times a year, she makes zikr (repetitive recitation of allahs names) all the time, and she helps people. She has no earthly power but a holy reputation as in people ask her for advice. in my own opinion, I’m an undeserving son due to the sins that I commit, I’m not even a fraction of a believer that she is, but even I have some decent common sense that no matter how much I know, no matter how much I read, there is no way that everything I read is always true… They are more like suggestions, people show me what they believe and I say to myself “hmm… What do I think”.

        I advise you to see if what you believe is true or not, I went on the internet tonight to see if my religion is by any chance satanic, probably there may be some history where somebody was influenced by satan himself, but dude… Saying Allah (nauzubillah) is satan? Do you read the stuff you say? Do you really believe yourself that much that you would stand firmly on your own belief that much? No matter what anybody here tells you, according to islam, satan can not force you to hell, he can only whisper in your ear, is there a possibility that he is whispering to you that “everybody else is wrong… You are right, now convince them that god has children”, there is absolutely no way that jesus is god, I’m not being stubborn, it just makes no logical sense, I’m not quoting from scriptures, I’m thinking with an open mind, I want to find anomalies in my religion, but reasonable ones, after going through all these posts, I’m completely certain that islam is the truest religion, call it islam, call it christianity, the idea remains, satan is the enemy, that does not make islam satanic.

        It might be a little late and I had not organised my thoughts properly, but my message remains the same, go try to prove yourself wrong, read the quraan, read the bible, read haadithes. Don’t go blaming islam for blood shedding, the entire population of countries have been reduced to fractions from exploits from satanic countries that are so powerful that obvious satanic support is implemented, but you choose to point your finger at hungry dying men that go for blood in the name of jihad, sure I don’t support them, but I will not deny them the right to stop devil work or at the least, revenge for destruction caused in their land.

        Please keep an open mind and continue with your post, I do enjoy your comments and how knowledgeable you are although your arrogance spoils the debate, and my lack of knowledge makes a proper comeback very scarce

        Peace be upon you

      • February 8, 2012 11:17 am

        Hi Ovi,

        I appreciate the comment. This post is not an attack on muslims, but the system itself. I don’t doubt your mother’s gifts, it could be from God. But I my qualm is with Islam as a whole. The teachings, especially the life of its prophet Mohammad contradict the teachings of the Bible. The Bible says to test the Prophets, i if Islam is truly a descendant/continuation of the Abrahimic religions, then Mohammad’s teachings would confirm the Bible and its teachings and his prophecies would be accurate. That is not the case. And after watching the video I mentioned, the links to the Roman church are uncanny. The Pope seems to have close ties to Islam. Anyway, I’ve explored these all with an open mind, even tried to see if atheism has any merit. Fortunately, to believe in evolution and no God requires a lot more faith. I pray that God will continue to reveal himself to you. Blessings.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 10:47 pm

      dear reader under the name “heaven”

      You are making good points about doing good works. That is what we all need to do. But you need to understand that No amount of good works will get you to heaven — you simply cannot possibly do enough good if you lived to be 400 years of age in order to earn your way to heaven. “Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light” (2 Corinthians 2:11) so he will try to deceive any person he possibly can. His goal is to get you to believe the Quran. The Quran states that Jesus was not God, and that he did not die for the sins of mankind. This is blasphemy straight from the depths of hell and will deceive anyone who believes this. Jesus was God incarnate (in the flesh), He died for the sins of mankind. “Jesus answered and said I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me” (John 14:6). So the lie in Quran which says that Jesus was not the Messiah (and thus the only path to heaven) is straight from Satan himself. Since Satan is using the Quran to lead people away from the truth, is he going to expose himself? No, of course Not. If he exposed himself, you would not believe him. But since he is a great deceiver, he disguises himself and makes you think that the God in the Quran is the God of heaven. “Allah” of the Quran is not the God of heaven. God of heaven cannot lie and therefore would Never say that Jesus was not God. Jesus is God and the only way to heaven. May His glorious Name be blessed forever and ever. I will pray for you dear.

  17. Sadaqat permalink
    June 13, 2011 5:09 pm

    I found this discussion very amusing..i got to know what intricacies a human mind can pull to satisfy itself and maintain the state of status quo .. ….i will not comment on the eact point that are being discussed here…just few of the bigger things…when you start to go into the history of anything and try to make an opinion solely based on some account discribed.. there is always a chance of historian Bias or the readers bias..so it does not do justice to a whole religion to be summarised by few accounts of langauge twisting and taking things out of context from history..you will never find any neutral venue where you can consult and know about the roots of religions..do read about how islam spread in east asia..in countries like Indonesia and malaysia..and what muslim armies went there..Do read the accounts of conquest of Makkah from any English or American historian of Islam…read about the migration to abssyinia of muslims and the proceedings in the court of Christian King…Read about the Pact of Muhammad(pbuh) with christian missionaries in Medinah and what were the constituents of that pact..iam not giving any link so that u have freedom to choose from any source you want brother …Read about all the conquests, treatment of the conquered lands and rules of engagement under Muhammad (pbuh) and later under his followers..and do read about the crusaders conquest of jerusulam and the the Knight templars excesses!..about the the conquest of spain back by christian armies and the bloodshed.. read about Salahudind ayubi’s conquest of Jerusulum and his treatment of conquered christians! In some good link you may also find the reason why he didnt let the cross fall from the church and let it be restored there..just watch the movie Kingdom of Heaven movie if u cant find any link.

    Holy book is supposed to be the word of God! who is not limited by any time or space..so how does an eye witness account logic drop in?

    As an outsider to Cristianity one thing puzzles me is this confusion who Jesus is according to bible?..Is he God? is he son of God? is he both..and why this complication was ever needed?.why it couldnt work any otherway as before? send in Prophets?.why is this term son bieng used for God when a God is supposed to be out from such boundings of humanly relations?…By son it wil mean that God will have a successor? or the divine meanings of the word son different?

    i hope u will answer these questions brother and read thoroughly before passing a judgement about roots of a religion.

    • June 14, 2011 8:28 am

      Sadaqat, thanks for your comment. I’ve studied about various aspects of Islam before. In one of my Indian history classes I took in college, I know India’s muslim community was a result of conversion by the sword. Muslims would take advantage of largely peaceful and non-violent hindus… and forced them to convert to Islam. That’s one of my questions about Islam. Why force people to believe? And why force believers not to question Islam, or doubt it, or risk being a heretic. If you’re so confident about your faith, why do you have to protect it from people questioning it? Can’t it stand on its own merits.

      Regarding the question about Jesus being God. It’s a complex question, which requires some thorough explanation to do it justice. But I can try to use this analogy, to sum it up for you. Take an egg, it has three main parts, the shell, white, yolk. They’re different, yet all combine to form an egg. Same with God, Father, Son, Spirit, all different parts, yet comprise God. How do I know it? The Bible tells me so. And by far it’s the ONLY reliable Holy Book on this planet.

      If you’d like a further study on this topic I can discuss it more or guide you to resources that can explain it better than I can. Blessings.

  18. Sadaqat permalink
    June 13, 2011 5:23 pm

    I know you will answer these questions sumhow or the other..they will not be left unanswered im sure..we see only what our mind wants us to see…

  19. sadaqat permalink
    June 14, 2011 11:57 am

    I think i should run a parallel here as well…i think your knowledge of Islamic History is very flawed…People were never forced to accept Islam…Muhammad (PBUH) said let there be no compulsion in religion…Conquered areas were allowed to practice their religions..However when ever christians conquered any area it was quite different….one example i will like to give is of Spain..Muslims ruled Spain for 700 years yet you find not a single muslim in spain these days coming from the lineage of those muslims?…why?..Muslims ruled for thousand years in India…then why Muslims in sub continent r just one third to total population?…i ask again what Muslim armies went to east Asia? most densely populous muslim country Indonesia what muslim army went there?..Brother one or two classes on history shouldn’t let you blindfold your intelligence..Read the proper history….read about from where west got all its basic knowledge about Science medicine Arts and Physics during the dark ages of europe…and i think its imp here to state that first converts in subcontinent were not on the hands of any conquerer..It was a simple missionary by the name of Ali Hajweri who converted tribes and tribes of people in India to Islam..

    I ask you again about the logic behind the eye witness account!..Holy books r not eye witness accounts!..its not a biography!
    What about Crusades?..how many of Christian villages were pillaged by their own Christian Army?..why were Knights Templar forced out of christianity?…
    I ask again , i know you are very fond of logical deduction…Why would God want to get into the complication of dividing Himself into three?..or if it was the case from eternity then why son?..It doesnt make sense !..what purpose did it serve that couldnt be served if a remained as One and only Deity?..If an analogy of father and son relationship had to be given then it would contain all that is present in a mortal relationship of a father and a son?….of succession..of father being more powerful than the son at one stage and the son at the other?…..
    On most reliable book…objectively..the chances of bible being reliable r very less! …Moved by Holy Spirit…ok gud enough excuse to satisfy a Christian by birth but not an outsider!….
    I hope You will answer all of my questions this time and read the real History not some cock n bull one!..thnx

    • June 14, 2011 4:50 pm

      I guess the textbooks I read and all those historians are wrong as well? Just to check, a quick Google search does confirm that Hindus were indeed persecuted and forced to convert:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#During_Islamic_rule_of_the_Indian_sub-continent

      Granted it’s a wiki source, but due to time constraints it will have to suffice. I’ll respond to the rest of your post later tonight.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:05 pm

      dear Sadaqat,

      You are incorrect, there is alot of violence in Islam history and many people were forced to convert or be killed. You need to read up more about Islam’s history as opposed to believing what you’re told from a select group like your mosque, parents, etc. The Crusaders showed violence, yes, but violence is never condoned by God. Jesus never used the sword and told his disciple Peter not to use it when Peter was tempted to. If you come to God with an open heart and ask Him to show you the truth, He undoubtedly Will. I guarantee you. But you must seek the truth from the God of heaven. “All that the Father hath giveth to Me, shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me, I will not cast out” (John 6:37).

      I hate to tell you my friend, but Satan deceives people through the Quran. He tells people that Jesus was not God and that He did not die on the cross for our sins — That is the Biggest Lie Straight From the Depths of Hell. Jesus is God, He died for the sins of mankind but that atonement for sin cannot be yours unless you come to Jesus, repent of your sins and receive that atonement. Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. “Jesus answered and said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father but through Me” (John 14:6). Jesus would love to make you a child of heaven — He call out to you to come to Him. You will not regret it if you do, my friend.

      • July 27, 2012 10:56 am

        Dear Mary,
        I was fortunate enough to learn from your school systems i.e Cambridge and Oxford.My study of History is more than just what my parents and Mosques told me.
        and yes Islam talks of sword.Islam talks of using sword against evil,against those who fight Allah,against those who spread chaos and anarchy in world against tyrants but never once did Islam said of using sword to convert people.
        Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
        Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]..

        Islam my friend is a complete code of life.It is not just a faith.It gives you code for everything to the level of state to an individual.It is the last complete code of life than Allah gave mankind to benefit till the last day.Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was not a Prophet just for muslims or Arabs.Allah sent him for whole mankind unlike the Prophets before him who were sent to a particular nation.So when Islam talks of sword it talks of the need for an army for the state.An Army which can defend the innocent and defeat the transgressors as an important pillar of the state.What the bible gives us through the distortions over the long period of time is just a faith not a complete code of life.For that one must understand the difference between a faith and complete code of life.

        Now I move on to the verses your are most probably going to quote from Quran regarding killing of infidels.Now before you do that read the whole context of these verses and the time when they were revealed to Holy Prophet(pbuh).It was the time of war and the new fragile group of muslims were awaiting the commandment from Allah regarding fighting Quraish who were in the process of attacking muslims in Madinah.

        You need to learn the whole context before hurriedly quoting from any place let alone a Holy Book.If you are truly sincere in your endeavours then I advice you to study in much detail however if you are out with an agenda, only God can help you.The problem with christians is the same that jews had with christians.Cristians couldnt grasp the fact that Islam is just a progression of their faith, the true one not the one in the numerous editions of bible.The one not tainted by romans and other influences(dont make me even go there!). As was the christianity progression from Judaism.This is when you start to compare them as two different faiths.Had the true word of God survived in “Injeel”(bible) there would never have been this discussion to start with.Same is the case with Torah.What God teaching in true Torah were different those in true bible and so were those in Quran.If God didnt allow the use of sword in bible so did Allah not allow muslims wage war against anyone till the battle of badr wen finally the words of Allah came in favor of war to defend themselves.You can compare and contrast bible with torah this way and you will come to know the differences in instructions over the period.
        Now coming to the violence in Islam.Yes their was violence.but Islam was not at fault.Individuals were.Islam gave us principals of waging war far better than than todays geneva convention.Conquest of Makkah speaks of the true magnanimous nature of what conquests were during the rule of Holy Prophet.

        Stanley lane Poole writes in his book THE SPEECHES AND TABLE TALK OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD”The Holy Prophet granted general amnesty to the People of Makkah. There were to be no reprisals, and no revenge. In the hour of triumph the Holy Prophet and his followers freely forgave every body, and forgot the persecutions they had suffered at the hands of the Quraish in the early days of Islam. All the people of Makkah offered their allegiance to the Holy Prophet and accepted Islam. That was a major revolution in the history of mankind”.

        Arthur Gilman in his book “The Saracens” says ‘It is greatly to Muhammad’s praise that on the occasion of the conquest of Makkah, when his resentment for ill usage in the past might naturally have incited him to revenge, he restrained his army from shedding of blood and showed every sign of humanity and thanksgiving to Allah for his goodness’

        These are not words from Mosque or my parents or a Mullah, these are perhaps very renowned western writes and Historians!

        I dont say what crusaders did were the teachings of Jesus or true bible, if i say so then I am actually casting myself out of Islam.I revere Jesus and the true bible more than Christians themselves who have no qualm joking over him and making his caricatures. Crusaders did on what the church told them was ok, they could loot and plunder if what they are doing is in the name of God.Through the manipulation of bible, church has made itself an intermediary between God and Man.
        Emil glen(with true apologies) did not answer my questions at the end of my preceding reply , I hope you will one by one

  20. Belinda permalink
    June 14, 2011 7:51 pm

    SADAQAT… Your comments are very solid, thankyou very eye opening indeed. I also question the bible, I don’t understand how there can be a book that claims to be the word of god after being revised and changed and altered by man himself. I also don’t understand the claim that jesus is god. The definition of god is entirely defied by this statement is it not? Indeed it is! Thankyou and I am looking forward to reading more about this debate. May u always be blessed by the truth.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:14 pm

      Dear Belinda,

      My heart grieves so deeply by your comments. Jesus IS God, died for the sins of mankind and is the only atonement for your sins and mine. Without Him you cannot, repeat, Cannot get to heaven. That is the great deceit of Quran because Quran tries to tell you otherwise. My heart is severely grieved that you believe this Great Lie. The Bible Is the inspired Word and God and cannot possibly have been altered by man. If you truly come before the God of heaven, come to Him with a heart of sincerity, He will hear you and answer you. He will reveal the truth of the Bible to you. Without the atoning blood of Jesus, you cannot possibly get to heaven and you will die in your sin. Dear sister, I do not want you to be separated from God from all eternity, but you will be if you believe the great lies in the Quran. Please come to God, ask Him to show you the truth. He Will lead you to Jesus Christ and you will then be saved. Please know there are 3 persons in One God — God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ) and God the Holy Spirit. Please believe before it is too late.

  21. sadaqat permalink
    June 15, 2011 2:04 am

    Iam well aware of the kind of history taught as a part of curriculum.Even where I live i know there are things that are fed to us.Secondly in such an environment you read what you want to read in order to satisfy your pre-formed ideas.History doesnt speak well of any religion!..I can give you so many eamples of cruelty in Christianity.some i have already given..Hinduism?..probably heard of Ashoka and the bloodshed he caused before converting to budhism.?Yopu probably heard of Gandhi and you thought wow all muslims are so peaceful!….hindus werent as peaceful as projectd.little kingdoms used to quarrell all the times..and btw what part Romans played in spreading christianity after the roman empire got christianity?..how many so called savage lands were pillaged in order to give them religion?….
    If you want to discuss a religion discuss its teachings..not its history..because my dear friend and brother History is not friend to anyone..i still ask you if Muslims were to persecute Hindus and they had thousand of years to do it do you think there would have been any left ?…that is what eactly happened in spain and you dont find a single trace of a muslim from that lineage living there!..btw the actions of a particular follower of a religion doesnot reflect upon the religion itself!..

    I think I did my duty to try to provide some truth and the other perspective…and I know we will probably never see eye to eye on this..we have years of hardened ideas and concepts which wont ever be influenced…I hope You will atleast read from many resources before giving such a statement about any religion..Its so strange why people have such Islamphobia! when all over the world muslims are the ones in pain from Iraq to Afghanistan Kashmir palestine..Ypu people are so finicky if your pets get some cold..but muslims dying all across the world doesnt seem to bother you!..My country bleeds every day fighting this war on terror..I have lost many of my brethern..some i grew up with..for what?..

    • June 15, 2011 9:50 am

      Well, where do I start? I’ll have to go back to the roots to try to explain this, and hopefully use examples in history to verify it. The basic premise of the Bible is that there is a great controversy between God and Satan. Satan claims that God is unjust and no man can love and worship Him through his free will, and that no one can live up to His standards, God shows us in the Bible that this is entirely possible, and to this day urges and hopes that everyone come to know Him, and be saved by accepting Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. To prove His ultimate love for us, He risked it ALL by sending Jesus down to be born as a human to be the perfect sacrifice for the price of sin, and that we can now be saved by just believing and accepting Christ’s sacrifice. That is the basic theme of the Bible.

      Now Satan will do anything to lead people away from that truth. One of his main weapons is to create counterfeits of everything, from counterfeit marriages (homosexual relations) to counterfeit Sabbaths (a lot of Christians worship of Sunday, when the true Sabbath is on the 7th day, Saturday).
      Satan has also made counterfeit religions, or faiths that look like the real deal, but are slightly different. The Bible even prophesies about it, and today it is manifested in the form of the Roman Catholic Church and its global system. You see, if you study the book of Revelation, it talks about a Harlot riding a Beast. To summarize it as quick as I can, women in Revelation symbolize a church, and beasts symbolize Kingdoms. Today, the most powerful Church/State union in the world is the Vatican, (for example, the Vatican has its own ambassadors). Contrast that to God’s church, symbolized by a pure women in white, also in Revelation.

      The RCC may pose and claim to represent true Christianity, but it’s not. They violate the very 10 commandments the claim to espouse… i.e. worship Idols (graven images), Sabbath was changed to Sunday… etc. All those crusades and violence you talk about, was perpetrated by the RCC. Knights Templar’s is an “arm” of the Jesuits. Hence there was an awakening after the Dark Ages (when the RCC controlled religion as prophesied by John in Revelation. There was a time when the true church would be in hiding See Revelation 12:6). After, the woman would come out of hiding, thus began the Reformation, started by the likes of Martin Luther et al. This led to the formation of Protestant churches.

      Anyway, how this relates to Islam, the Roman Catholic Church and Islam have very close ties, and share a lot in common, as seen in the Islamic Connection video. An wealthy in-law of Mohammad was said to be catholic… coincidence? Possibly. Islam I sincerely believe was created to lead people away from the truth. In all honesty, only one of us is right in this matter. Either Islam, or Christianity, or both of us can be completely wrong and the atheists win. But there is only ONE truth, as the teachings of Islam and Christianity clash. I.e. you claim Jesus is a prophet, I claim he is God.

      You got to ask yourself, which source of truth is more reliable. I firmly and truly believe the Bible without doubt is second to none in terms of accuracy, reliability, and truth.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:19 pm

      To Sadaquat,

      A personal relationship with Jesus Christ is Not a religion. Religion is man trying to reach God but a relationship with Jesus is God reaching man. All other religions tell you what you must do to earn your way to heaven. You cannot possibly do enough good works to earn your way to heaven, but you can come to Jesus with a broken, repentance heart and ask him to forgive you of your sins. Please come to Him while He may be found. Jesus said “night is coming when no man can work”. Let Him save you today and He will if you come to Him.

  22. sadaqat permalink
    June 15, 2011 2:04 pm

    Well the God I pray to is the God “who created man , created man out of clot of congealed blood,Read (Proclaim), and your Lord is the Most Generous,who taught by the Pen,Taught man that which he knew not!
    let me ask you something again..Ok I get your point about the God and the son…why at this particular part of time in history did God decide to give this ultimate sacrifice? what was special? that it couldnt be done before? the Israelites were the same…maybe it could have saved trouble for so many prophets before if God had made this ultimate sacrifice a bit earlier?..
    .Peronally I think the challenge is not between God and satan. If God wanted he could have obliterated Satan..the real challenge is in the mind of a human..Mans steadfastness on the right path..Man is the reason why this world was created! Satan was only the by product…the real test is for a man to choose by his free will and remain on the path of God irrespective of what Satan thinks ..he isnt a party to this…he is living his own destiny..that is to get man away from the path of God…the centre of attention remains to be God and man and the choices he makes…and let me tell you my friend even without satan, the evil exists!..in the minds of a human.. in the form of free will!..In arabic it is known as NAFS..( desires)..satan only augments our desires not create them!..so we humans are not just a party to this conflict of sorts between God and satan..we are the real deal…So God doesnt need us to know anything…this is our very test, the reason of our existance..to remain on the right path no matter what..no matter how unfair it seems no matter impossible it seems..its this steadfastness that will liberate and save us..not any other shortcut!…If u think otherwise then tell me what is the reason we humans were created in first place?

    You say reformists came after sometime and protestant sect was formed which you i think profess to be in…before that i presume Bible was in the hand of same RCC?…what makes you so sure the same RCC didnt alter the meaning of bible?…

    Its has helped me a lot personally and iam really gratefull to you.Even though what you wrote hurt me as a muslim in the start but after thinking so much about my religion i have realized where i stand…how much i have neglected it over years. having truth in my hands and ignoring it..God does work in mysterious ways my brother!…:D..thank you once again.

    • June 15, 2011 3:52 pm

      Sadaqat, I’m sorry if I’ve hurt you in any way. The original purpose of this post was to hopefully raise some questions and make people question their beliefs, to challenge them, instead of blindly following the faith just because they’ve done so all their life. If it has strengthened your faith, I’m glad.

      You are right… God works in mysterious ways. He probably chose to send Jesus during that particular period because the prophecies by Isaiah and the other prophets probably best lined up. Who knows.

      And you’re right, God could easily deal with Satan right away, but if he did that without vindicating himself to the heavenly hosts and humans, we would view him and a power hungry God. Instead, he’s choosing to let it play out in the best way possible.

      Imagine a President being accused by his staff that he’s corrupt or unjust, and responsible for all the misery in the nation. If the President just eliminated his accuser, or executed him, how would the nation view him?! They would think that the accuser was probably right. God through in his infinite wisdom is slowly but surely showing the world that Satan, is nothing but a liar, and all his actions show that God has been loving and fair, and that it was in fact Satan who was causing all the trouble. We just have to trust God in his timing.

      I have to disagree with you though that we can save ourselves. NOTHING we can do will ever gain us salvation. Nothing. The wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) Humans are sinful, and we were destined to eternal death. That’s why God sent Jesus down to die in OUR places. He was the Perfect Lamb. All those Jewish tabernacle ceremonies, where they’d slay a spotless lamb, was a type of symbol, that pointed to the ultimate sacrifice, Jesus at the cross. That’s the beauty of Christianity. We don’t HAVE to do anything. We don’t have to go to a priest, pay penance, or pray a set number of times a day, and do good works to earn salvation. Christ already paid the price for us. We just have to believe and accept that he died for our sins and accept Him as our Lord and Saviour, and try to live a life like Him.

      You’re right, I’m part of a protestant church, namely I’m a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I believe this is God’s end-day church, we keep the Sabbath, spread the Gospel to every country in the world, and await his soon coming.

      As for the Bible being in the hands of the RCC, its a yes and no question. The Bible is a compilation of thousands of manuscripts that have survived throughout the centuries. You’ve heard of the Dead Sea Scrolls, well they were recently discovered, so the RCC couldn’t have changed a thing about those. The Catholics use their own version of the Bible, Douay-Reims translation, but most Bibles are based on these surviving manuscripts, and translators and scholars do their best to maintain the translation and keep the essence. We don’t have the autographs (the originals), so we have to rely on copies of copies of copies, etc. There’s bound to be some human error involved, but its amazing that God was able to preserve the Bible all these years, through many different authors, yet they all have the same central theme. The Bible is living proof of God. Add to the fact that MANY have tried to destroy or discredit the Bible all this time. It’s pretty amazing. I personally use the New King James Version, which is based on the Majority Texts/Manuscripts.

  23. sadaqat permalink
    June 15, 2011 3:52 pm

    this is last of my comments to you and these are my very personal thoughts iam going to share with you..I am a very ordinary muslim! Busy in day to day life, neglecting my faith…I was basically bored and surfing net for a random topic i.e satanism…and then i saw this page which obviously offended me as a muslim…I remembered my thoughts about christians I had over the time..as a muslim and a human i always felt sympathy for them , i may seem patronizing here but believe me iam not…Christians let it be RCC or protestants or any other , are so close to salvation!so close! You people are the next best people we consider to ourselves yet you are so far…it is really feels sad to see so many good people not attaining salvation..these r just my personal thoughts so no offence..you may feel the same about us…but let me tell you as a muslim the joy of praying 5 times a day and crying with your eyes full of tears in prostration in front of Allah.every moment belongs to Allah not a particular day or a week or a month…when you drink cold water thirsty in summer heat and you automaticaly praise to Allah from such depths of heart and that too for just this small joy in life..things like this cant be put into words or preached or taught….I found my religion in hands of a critic…i just wish you could judge the state of my mind free from any prejudice…but if you dont then i would advise you to study islam once again even though i know u r very much sure of your faith but still give it a genuine try ..
    @ Belinda… find the truth in your heart…the best thing i like in Islam is that you dont need anyone to intervene between you and your God…no church no priest no Mullah or Sheikh…Its just you standing with modesty defeated by the problems of this world and seeking guidance from God with tears rolling down your cheek..your heart full of joy!..Just keep searching for the truth and you will get there…TC

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:41 pm

      To Sadaqat,

      You say that you pray 5 times and day and that every moment belongs to allah. Since the Quran even says that allah is the great deceiver, how can you have peace praying to someone who confesses he’s a great deceiver. Maybe the joy you get from praying is the act of submitting your time to someone greater than you. And yes, we were made for God and we cannot have sincere lasting joy without giving ourselves wholy to our Creater. But our Creater is not allah the great deceiver but the true God of heaven. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The 3 persons of the blessed Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit — 3 persons in one God. If you seek the true God, He will reveal Himself to you and then, and only then, can you have lasting peace. I challenge you to do that because I guarantee you, you will Not regret it. If you are trying to get to the God of heaven by your own merit (your prayers, your thought on Him), you will fail and you will not reach Him. You can only get to Him through our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah), the only begotten Son of God. If you know Him, you Will know lasting peace. Through Him you can know you have eternal life, because in the Bible He states that. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, loves you but you cannot experience that love unless you come to Him (and only Him). When you come to Him, you have come to the One and only God (the Godhead), the 3 persons in One God. Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No man can come to the Father but by Me” (John 14:6)

      • Sadaqat permalink
        July 27, 2012 9:53 am

        ok give me the exact place where it is written that Allah is a great deciever(nauzbillah)? If you are talking about a certain verse of whose meaning is taken out of context, then I would again advice you to thoroughly research that topic where when and why was this verse revealed and on wht instance and what are the alternative meanings of the word “makar” do that and I will then furthar discuss it with you…and Btw Muslims believe in God of Abraham, Isaaq and Jacob…but this Holy trinity we donot…I believe I asked some question regarding this trinity please do answer them as well..Thankyou

  24. Anonymous permalink
    June 23, 2011 10:55 am

    Very good discussion indeed. Thank’s friends.

    Anyway, back to the picture of Yahweh and Allah, will God let satan use His name (or part of His name)? As long as I know, satan will be afraid of God, mostly by His name.

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:51 pm

      To anonymous:

      Satan stands in God’s presence so we don’t really know if he is afraid of His name. But the Bible says that even the deamons believe in God, but they shutter. They shutter when they realize who He is and who they are, and how they’ve turned from Him.
      The main thing is that you don’t want to believe allah is God because even the Quran says that allah is the great deceiver. Why would you want to give your alliegance to someone who is a deceiver, and even admits it. The God of heaven is not a deceiver and He will welcome you if you come to Him through Jesus Christ.

  25. Harold permalink
    August 26, 2011 9:28 pm

    Allah is the Arabic word for God (with a capital G) while “ʾilāh” is the term used for a deity or a god in general. It is used primarily by Muslims, but also by Bahá’ís, Eastern Catholic Christians, Maltese Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox Christians, Mizrahi Jews and Sikhs. It is related to ʼĔlāhā in Aramaic, the language of Jesus and the New Testament.

  26. zoe permalink
    August 28, 2011 4:16 pm

    Wasn’t satan an angel gone rogue? :S

  27. Anonymous permalink
    December 10, 2011 4:49 am

    In the quran satan claimed god strayed him away and the quran even says “allah” is the great deceiver… how is this possible? why would God want to deceive? the quran even says “allah” has 99 names… and one is deceiver… you people sound so ignorant and uneducated…

    • mary permalink
      April 3, 2012 11:54 pm

      To anonymous,

      That because allah and the God of heaven are not the same thing. The God of heaven does not deceive — it’s impossible for the Almighty God to deceive.

  28. Tutu permalink
    January 29, 2012 5:02 pm

    Any man who would take as a bride a child still old enough to play with dolls makes it clear to me that Islam is the religion of the devil. Muhammad did so many despicable things and the bible says you shall know them by their fruit. I wish Muslim brothers and sisters would open their eyes to the truth. Your faith tells you you have no surety of salvation. Know this: You do not want to die without Christ. Those who don’t accept him as Lord and Savior will be thrust into flames for eternity. Many of his followers as well as Muhammad himself now regret the choice they made.Don’t make the same mistake. Watch “The truth about Hell” parts 1-4 on You Tube. If you don’t heed this message or you continue to struggle in a faith that gives you no peace, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

    • February 8, 2012 11:04 am

      Hi Tutu,

      Mohammad and anyone else who are dead do not know what is going on. According to the Bible, the dead know not anything. The truth about hell is that no one is burning right now. Hell is the final judgment to the unbelievers when Christ comes again.

      • mary permalink
        April 3, 2012 11:31 pm

        to emmilglen,

        I wouldn’t be so sure about your statement “the truth about hell is that no one is burning right now”. We don’t know that. But I do not that in the Bible, Jesus talked more about hell than He did heaven. He wants to warn people that hell and eternity apart from Him is real. We just need to heed His call and accept His death on the cross as atonement for our sins so we can avoid hell. God does not want anyone to perish and Quran need to know that apart from Jesus, they will be in that place of torment for all eternity.

    • david permalink
      April 26, 2012 12:16 am

      people always forget to understand that there are different cultures and different era’s of civilization other than the ones they are living in….
      the arabs of the 6th century were a tribal/nomadic people and still are today in some parts of the world.

      it is very common through out history, all through the world, for women to be married at very young ages, and give birth. (the virgin mary is believed to have been 12 or 13 when she bore jesus)

      arranged marriages were very common and are still fairly common in parts of the world…

      men and women were created by god to procreate and fill the earth.

      when a woman has her mensus, that is a sign that she has reached child bearing age, and can be married and begin having children

      the marriage was an ordained marriage under the law of God.
      as opposed to all the preachers/pastors young boy rapes in the christian faith.

  29. Sadaqat permalink
    February 12, 2012 6:49 am

    I dont really know from where you guys get your info from.Islamphobia.com??…HOLY Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) married Hazra Aisha at the age of 18…it is proved by the fact that her elder sister was ten years older than her.It is a documented fact that she died at exact 100 years on 72 years on Migration, making her age at 28 and Hazrat Aisha’s at 18 when she Migrated to Madina..Holy Prophet(pbuh) married Aisha on 1 year after Migration.However there is a Hadith supporting her age at 9.This narration however has been termed weak as many other indirect ways prove of its falshood.I can give the details if required.On the other hand Mr Tutu is of the view that Be a paedophile, rapist or a murderer,..in the end all you need is to acknowledge Christ as your saviour!!!..what logic!!!…

    “ Do they not then earnestly seek to understand the Qur’ân, or is that there are locks upon their hearts ?” (47:24)

  30. david permalink
    April 25, 2012 11:52 pm

    the picture looks like it says “all 1″
    as in, we are all 1 people created the 1 all mighty creator.

    there is one God. everything that exists, exists because God either wants it to or allowed it.
    including Islam.

    the fun part is trying to figure out why….

    how boring would life be if everyone knew everything, and everyone looked and talked the same.

    i look at it this way…

    Abraham had sons issac and Ishmael, through different wives. God named both of them and promised to bless both of them and their descendants greatly (genesis).
    Through Issac came the 12 tribes of israel. through Ishmael came the 12 tribes of arabs (genesis)
    i look at that and think, all the arabs in are my half brothers (genetically, by blood), through abraham.

    mohammed claimed to be a descendant of ishmael. all the laws in the quran are virtually identical to the laws in the torah, virtually all mohammads teachings were the same as what Isa taught.

    the law came through moses 3400 years ago. Judaism was ‘born’
    Isa came to re-establish the laws to the jews about 2000 years ago. christianity was ‘born’
    the quran came to the arabs about 1400 years ago. islam was ‘born’

    the reason the law needed to come separately to ishmael’s and issac’s descendants was because they were born through different mothers…


    note:(i dont say ‘Jesus’ because that word, as it is pronounced today with the american ‘J’ sound did not exist until the 16th century. the original 1611 KJV bible did not have a ‘J’ in it. judaism, greek, and latin dont have the letter ‘J’ or its equivilent sound. I dont say Jesus because people might be confused about who i am refeing too)

    upon reciving the guidance each group was more or less born into the law and started to grow spiritually…

    essentially..
    jews 34
    christians 20
    islam 14

    if you had 3 kids, would you talk to them all the same? or talk to each one different based on their age, personality, etc?

    if one was a little subborn and needed to be talked to in a firmer tone, one was timid and needed to be talked to gently, and one was wise and could be talked to like an adult…

    teach them all the same way?
    if one learns better hands, one learns better by reading, and one learns better by listening….
    would you teach them all the same way?

    or talk to them and teach them in the way that best meets suits their style to best benefit them?

    wouldn’t God do the same?

    being a doctor is great..but if little jonny likes building things teach him/let him grow up to be a great engineer.

  31. david permalink
    April 26, 2012 1:03 am

    The true name of Satan, the Kabalists say, is Yahweh (GOD) reversed; for Satan is not a black god, but a negation of God. [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, p 102]
    just a thought…
    the name of yod-hay-vav-hay reversed would sound quite similar to hava, the or original name of eve, of adam and eve fame…

    maybe the kabbalists were trying to say woman is satan..

  32. DINIISLAMIC permalink
    May 29, 2012 2:38 am

    ALLAHU EKBER

  33. Dawn permalink
    June 21, 2012 1:04 am

    How is it that if you’re a Christian, anyone who doesn’t believe in Jesus will die in hell. Similarly, how is it that if you’re a Muslim, anyone who doesn’t believe in Islam will die in hell.

    If you’re a Christian, would you convert yourself to Islam? No. That means according to Islam, you will be sent to hell. Similarly, if you’re a muslim would you convert to Christianity? No. That means according to Christianity you will be sent to hell.

    How is this justified? You can be a good faithfull Christian but you will die in hell because you don’t believe in Islam. Similarly you can be a good faithfull muslim but you will be sent to hell because you don’t believe in Christianity.

  34. Sadaqat permalink
    July 27, 2012 10:09 am

    Dear Mary,
    I was fortunate enough to learn from your school systems i.e Cambridge and Oxford.My study of History is more than just what my parents and Mosques told me.
    and yes Islam talks of sword.Islam talks of using sword against evil,against those who fight Allah,against those who spread chaos and anarchy in world against tyrants but never once did Islam said of using sword to convert people.
    Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
    Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]..

  35. Sadaqat permalink
    July 27, 2012 10:14 am

    why cant I upload my full reply?

    • July 30, 2012 1:06 pm

      3 of your comments were so long WordPress thought they were spam. They are up now.

  36. July 27, 2012 10:51 am

    Dear Mary,
    I was fortunate enough to learn from your school systems i.e Cambridge and Oxford.My study of History is more than just what my parents and Mosques told me.
    and yes Islam talks of sword.Islam talks of using sword against evil,against those who fight Allah,against those who spread chaos and anarchy in world against tyrants but never once did Islam said of using sword to convert people.
    Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]
    Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]..

    Islam my friend is a complete code of life.It is not just a faith.It gives you code for everything to the level of state to an individual.It is the last complete code of life than Allah gave mankind to benefit till the last day.Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was not a Prophet just for muslims or Arabs.Allah sent him for whole mankind unlike the Prophets before him who were sent to a particular nation.So when Islam talks of sword it talks of the need for an army for the state.An Army which can defend the innocent and defeat the transgressors as an important pillar of the state.What the bible gives us through the distortions over the long period of time is just a faith not a complete code of life.For that one must understand the difference between a faith and complete code of life.

    Now I move on to the verses your are most probably going to quote from Quran regarding killing of infidels.Now before you do that read the whole context of these verses and the time when they were revealed to Holy Prophet(pbuh).It was the time of war and the new fragile group of muslims were awaiting the commandment from Allah regarding fighting Quraish who were in the process of attacking muslims in Madinah.

    You need to learn the whole context before hurriedly quoting from any place let alone a Holy Book.If you are truly sincere in your endeavours then I advice you to study in much detail however if you are out with an agenda, only God can help you.The problem with christians is the same that jews had with christians.Cristians couldnt grasp the fact that Islam is just a progression of their faith, the true one not the one in the numerous editions of bible.The one not tainted by romans and other influences(dont make me even go there!). As was the christianity progression from Judaism.This is when you start to compare them as two different faiths.Had the true word of God survived in “Injeel”(bible) there would never have been this discussion to start with.Same is the case with Torah.What God teaching in true Torah were different those in true bible and so were those in Quran.If God didnt allow the use of sword in bible so did Allah not allow muslims wage war against anyone till the battle of badr wen finally the words of Allah came in favor of war to defend themselves.You can compare and contrast bible with torah this way and you will come to know the differences in instructions over the period.
    Now coming to the violence in Islam.Yes their was violence.but Islam was not at fault.Individuals were.Islam gave us principals of waging war far better than than todays geneva convention.Conquest of Makkah speaks of the true magnanimous nature of what conquests were during the rule of Holy Prophet.

    Stanley lane Poole writes in his book THE SPEECHES AND TABLE TALK OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD”The Holy Prophet granted general amnesty to the People of Makkah. There were to be no reprisals, and no revenge. In the hour of triumph the Holy Prophet and his followers freely forgave every body, and forgot the persecutions they had suffered at the hands of the Quraish in the early days of Islam. All the people of Makkah offered their allegiance to the Holy Prophet and accepted Islam. That was a major revolution in the history of mankind”.

    Arthur Gilman in his book “The Saracens” says ‘It is greatly to Muhammad’s praise that on the occasion of the conquest of Makkah, when his resentment for ill usage in the past might naturally have incited him to revenge, he restrained his army from shedding of blood and showed every sign of humanity and thanksgiving to Allah for his goodness’

    These are not words from Mosque or my parents or a Mullah, these are perhaps very renowned western writes and Historians!

    I dont say what crusaders did were the teachings of Jesus or true bible, if i say so then I am actually casting myself out of Islam.I revere Jesus and the true bible more than Christians themselves who have no qualm joking over him and making his caricatures.Crusaders did on what the church told them was ok, they could loot and plunder if what they are doing is in the name of God.Through the manipulation of bible, church has made itself an intermediary between God and Man.
    emmil glen(with true apoligies) did not answer my questions at the end of my preceding reply , I hope you will one by one

  37. July 27, 2012 10:52 am

    Islam my friend is a complete code of life.It is not just a faith.It gives you code for everything to the level of state to an individual.It is the last complete code of life than Allah gave mankind to benefit till the last day.Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was not a Prophet just for muslims or Arabs.Allah sent him for whole mankind unlike the Prophets before him who were sent to a particular nation.So when Islam talks of sword it talks of the need for an army for the state.An Army which can defend the innocent and defeat the transgressors as an important pillar of the state.What the bible gives us through the distortions over the long period of time is just a faith not a complete code of life.For that one must understand the difference between a faith and complete code of life.

  38. Sadaqat permalink
    July 30, 2012 1:00 pm

    I have been unable upload my full response for reasons I dont know, If Iam banned or something..??…or is there some word limit?..anyways all I wanted to say is we can debate for days and weeks and years over this topic and other comparative religious debates..I will not stop answering you logically and with references and you will not stop with your objections.Your objection to Islam doesnot step from the fact that how illogical or horrific Islam is.It is much more deeper than this, It is because of your deep rooted fears.Fears inculcated in you through your media from the very start, making stereotypes in your minds with cartoons like Alladin etc and in adulthood with movies and news show spewing shit about Islam day in and day out..and then the fear of change as Islam troubles the status quo in your societies because trust me Islam seems very difficult a religion to follow..with no drinking, prayers five times a day, fasting for a month and no promiscuous behaviour..another fear is of survival for your church people, ministers, priests etc…the fact that Islam is the fastest growing religion in USA(no sword??.hmmm)…scares them..dwindling church presence furthers their agonies..so Islam is a threat!!…as far as your questions and objections regarding Islam are concerned..All have been summarised and listed In one measely page..done, proven and dealt with over the years…Truth is always truth..falsehood always falsehood no matter under how many veils and coverings…calling apple an orange will never make it so..

    • July 30, 2012 1:03 pm

      Comments are moderated so they have to be approved before showing up. It might take a while for them to show up as I haven’t had the time to maintain this site more regularly. But whatever you’ve posted should be up now.

      • Sadaqat permalink
        July 30, 2012 2:09 pm

        thanks!

  39. Anonymous permalink
    August 1, 2012 5:22 pm

    islam is simply an arabic word that translates in english to – submission/obedience to the god of abraham issac and jacob

    muslim is simply an arabic word that translates in english to – any person who submits to/obeys the god of abraham issac and jacob

    allah is simply an arabic word that translates in english to – The God, it is used by jews, christians and muslims from the arabic region to refer specifically to the god of abraham issac and jacob.
    in america we use the word god which can be used for any god,
    in the arabic region they use allah which is only used for the god of abraham issac and jacob.
    example: an american could say i believe in god…but their ‘god’ could be a rock or a statue…you wouldn’t know unless you clarified that with them.
    a person who says they believe in allah, there is no question to as to who their god is.

    ==
    quran 2:112/5:69 whoever submits his face in Islam (whether they be Jews or a Christians or a Sabians) to Allah while being a doer of good will have his reward with his Lord. And no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.
    ==
    submiting to all mighty god simply means obeying his commandments and living by his commands and his laws.

    any person who submits to/surrenders their will to/obeys the commandments of all mighty god by definition is a muslim.
    they just need to come to understand/accept that Mohammed is a prophet of god. any person that studies will learn that all his teaching line up with gods law and teachings.

    The basic principle of sharia law (God’s commandments) . ….
    If parent tells a child “Don’t play in the street,” “Don’t play in the street.”
    But the child, ignores the parent/does not listen, and subsequently gets hurt/killed. Is it the parents fault or the child’s?
    Who suffers? ….. The child, the parents, the extended family, the driver of the car, etc..
    The parents tell the child because they know what is better for the child and want what is better for the child.
    Doing so, not only protects the child (individual person). It also protects the parent, the family, the driver, etc.. (society).

    The All Mighty Creator, our heavenly father, knows what is best for us, and wants what is best for us and gave us commandments and guidance to protect us each individually and society as a whole

    The All Mighty Creator, created everything.
    The Creator knows what’s best for every part of the creation, not just from an individual perspective, but from a global perspective.
    The All Mighty Creator is smarter than us, the All Mighty Creator knows what is best for us.
    A person may think they are smart, but they only have their own experiences and the experiences of the people they know to draw from. They may not see/understand the effects of their actions on a global scale, or see/understand the consequences of their actions over a long period of time.
    The Eternal, All Mighty Creator has the experiences of every person that has ever existed, to draw from (a lot larger sample group).
    The All Mighty Creator cares about us, wants what is best for us.
    With that infinite knowledge, The Creator based the guidance that was given to humanity, and sent people (prophets) to live among us to demonstrate/teach that law to us.

    Quran 4:79 What comes to you of good is from your Creator, but what comes to you of evil, is from yourself.

    The Creator gave us instructions to help us be successful. Most, of mankind’s problems in the world are caused due to people living against/ignoring The Creator’s instructions, trying to do things their own way or figuring things out on their own.

    if a person plays a sport and they dont play by the rules they are going to lose/get disqualified/ejected.
    if they play by the rules they have a chance to win.
    if a person doesn’t play the game of life by the rules they wont win.
    if they play by the rules they can get to heaven

    ==

    what does a “muslim”, a person who submits/surrenders their will to All Mighty God sound like?……
    “We have staked the future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind of self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the 10 Commandments of God.”
    -James Madison, 4th President of the United States of America.

    “If we ever forget that we are ‘One nation under God’ then we will be a nation gone under”
    -Ronald Regan, 40th President of the United States of America.

  40. Private permalink
    August 20, 2012 12:45 pm

    am sorry but y’all are running thru an endless path of me against them… U are all passionate about your beliefs that you wont see the point in others. That is understandable. Proving truths from the same book that is argued upon is really circular reasons. Fact must come elsewhere to prove what is prothesized. So, my advice to y’all is to believe what you believe in and let others do the same. U need not validate ur own by discrediting others. Peace

    • Sadaqat permalink
      August 23, 2012 10:17 am

      You are right.Truth does not need any support to prevail.Discrediting others beliefs is actually having less confidence on your own.However one should defend his beliefs if attacked.The audience must get the full picture so they re not misguided.One soul prevented from misguidance is enough to make it worthwhile.

  41. Lori T permalink
    September 12, 2012 8:28 pm

    I’m Catholic. I’m Christian. What is your problem with Catholicism? How can you possibly equate it with Islam? Have you been to mass? Studied our catechism? We love God and Jesus as much as you do.

  42. Anonymous permalink
    October 8, 2012 4:04 pm

    we muslims before saying any word of quran we damn devil and forbidden him we believe in allah and the day judgement and we believe in Jesus as prophet and he is spirit come from allah as adam and he is the word of allah … sorry but too far to know our islam i respect ur religion but u try to give wrong information to ppls

  43. Fabi permalink
    November 4, 2012 8:51 am

    thanks Allah i am convert muslim …. :-)

    read the christians councils …. in special the council of nicea

  44. February 16, 2013 3:55 pm

    Yes Devil Worshippers Any people Was everyone else Dead Are Nazis Is lamb Is Nazis They joined the Nazi party In the Second World War They wanted To kill Ask Christians And Every Non Islamic Let them all rotting hell Evil homosexuals God in heaven help us Against the devil worshippers Muslims And we stick up for them every day The evil ones Muslims should all be assassinated

  45. May 4, 2013 1:05 pm

    just amazed by the level of idiocy ..it is not “allah”..it’s El-Lah or Al-lah where “El” or “Al” is the equivalent of “THE” in english..”ilah” or “elah” means god just a deity ,any god..with “El” or “Al” added it becomes El-lah or El-ilah or El-Elah (or WITH Al) which means The GOD or God with a capital G..when a muslim is doing duaa (a prayer) they say :Ya Ilahi /Ya Elahi= O dear God ..pronounced exactly like jesus’s “Elahi Elahi lama sabachthani”..if jesus spoke arabic he would’ve said “Elahi Elahi lima takhalayta ani”…so..allah is the real name of satan ?…lol plz.”..allah” is barely a name just like “satan” which comes from the word “shaytan” which is the word for the personification of evil & temptation..when you refer to “lucifer” you should say ;The Satan /El or Al Shaytan ..because anybody can be satan/shaytan ..hitler was a satan but not THE Satan/El-shaytan

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